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1969 - Orphans / 124379N556109 window sticker
« on: January 04, 2023, 08:55:14 PM »
This I was originally ordered by the grandfather of someone looking for the car.
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1968 - Orphans / POP for 124378N459001
« on: October 26, 2022, 07:56:22 PM »
Base V8 327 car.
Note the error - the first digit of the VIN is not 1 - it’s 1/2
Note the error - the first digit of the VIN is not 1 - it’s 1/2
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Decoding/Numbers / 1967 L78 A-A paint
« on: July 12, 2022, 02:35:01 AM »
Check out this firewall pic from Jose’s car. He will probably post more about what he is finding.
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Foreign Camaros / A 1968 Antwerp Camaro
« on: February 19, 2022, 05:09:53 PM »
This car is the earliest 68 Antwerp Camaro that we know of so far.
I am starting this thread and will let the owner post some things about the car. I am hoping he will also consider posting at least a little about a 67 that he knows about.
Enjoy!
I am starting this thread and will let the owner post some things about the car. I am hoping he will also consider posting at least a little about a 67 that he knows about.
Enjoy!
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General Discussion / Posts asking about the database
« on: February 18, 2022, 04:15:33 PM »
I am not speaking for anyone else, but I am giving my opinions.
Took some hate email yesterday for being honest, probably harshly honest, but I needed to speak my mind.
The database was setup as a research tool, not for "every Tom, Dick, and Harry" to inquire if CRG has data on a specific car. The number of people with access is very limited, and that’s done by design. Some of that data was collected with the owner expecting the information to be kept confidential, some was pulled off the internet (eBay, Facebook, etc.), some collected by CRG members from personal inspections and by other means. And it’s not necessarily explicitly explained out as to “what is what” in the database.
If someone has questions about a car for sale, the appropriate way to ask would be something like this.
Hey guys I saw this car for sale, I am interested in buying it and wondered what your thoughts are on it.
If you are wanting opinions about original drivetrain components, post pics.
If you are really interested in buying the car, be careful not to share too much information. Someone else may to buy it before you! When I was looking for another car on Facebook, I had 2 cars bought out from under me by guys that saw responses to my ad and were closer to the car with cash in hand. So it can happen!
There are people that also collect data on cars and keep their own data on VINs and details. Sometimes people will share what they know.
People that post with a demanding type tone will not get a favorable response.
Those that ask about car after car after car will wear out their welcome.
True car guys do their own research for a purchase first, then ask for input. Nobody knows everything, nobody.
True car guys are on this site, but scammers and flippers can infiltrate every site. It’s not possible to keep them all out.
So my final thought is, enjoy your cars. Treat people with respect. Realize that relationships are more important than material items.
Have a nice day.
Took some hate email yesterday for being honest, probably harshly honest, but I needed to speak my mind.
The database was setup as a research tool, not for "every Tom, Dick, and Harry" to inquire if CRG has data on a specific car. The number of people with access is very limited, and that’s done by design. Some of that data was collected with the owner expecting the information to be kept confidential, some was pulled off the internet (eBay, Facebook, etc.), some collected by CRG members from personal inspections and by other means. And it’s not necessarily explicitly explained out as to “what is what” in the database.
If someone has questions about a car for sale, the appropriate way to ask would be something like this.
Hey guys I saw this car for sale, I am interested in buying it and wondered what your thoughts are on it.
If you are wanting opinions about original drivetrain components, post pics.
If you are really interested in buying the car, be careful not to share too much information. Someone else may to buy it before you! When I was looking for another car on Facebook, I had 2 cars bought out from under me by guys that saw responses to my ad and were closer to the car with cash in hand. So it can happen!
There are people that also collect data on cars and keep their own data on VINs and details. Sometimes people will share what they know.
People that post with a demanding type tone will not get a favorable response.
Those that ask about car after car after car will wear out their welcome.
True car guys do their own research for a purchase first, then ask for input. Nobody knows everything, nobody.
True car guys are on this site, but scammers and flippers can infiltrate every site. It’s not possible to keep them all out.
So my final thought is, enjoy your cars. Treat people with respect. Realize that relationships are more important than material items.
Have a nice day.
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Original Cars and Details / 1969 Camaro L78 M22 - Cortez Silver
« on: December 23, 2021, 02:35:45 AM »
Lloyd also took pics of this car at MCACN in November and wants to share some of the original details.
This is the only pic I have of the car, and may replace it later if I get a better one.
This is the only pic I have of the car, and may replace it later if I get a better one.
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Trans-Am Camaros / Single 4 barrel on a Cross Ram intake?
« on: December 21, 2021, 11:27:22 PM »
I am wondering if anyone has run a single Holley 4 barrel on a Cross Ram intake before.
I bought a 1981 dated Offenhauser Cross Ram intake and two 660 cfm carbs, but that was not going to be anywhere close to street friendly on the built 355 it was going on. So I sold the carbs and am now thinking about replacing it with a new top. See pics. The intake I have did have some minor grinding done on it to clearance the accelerator pump on the front of the passenger side carb area. This is generally not seen with a carb installed.
I bought a 1981 dated Offenhauser Cross Ram intake and two 660 cfm carbs, but that was not going to be anywhere close to street friendly on the built 355 it was going on. So I sold the carbs and am now thinking about replacing it with a new top. See pics. The intake I have did have some minor grinding done on it to clearance the accelerator pump on the front of the passenger side carb area. This is generally not seen with a carb installed.
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Original Cars and Details / Original 1967 Z28 - Mountain Green
« on: December 13, 2021, 04:14:00 AM »
Lloyd took a lot of pictures at a 1967 Z28 at MCACN 2021 (back in November) when it was judged and he will be posting them. I am starting the thread then will just monitor the progress. This car was owned by CRG's Jon Mello at one time.
I believe this is the car, but if it is not I will change the photo.
There are plans to also highlight another car Lloyd has pictures of in another post later this month. Stay tuned!
I believe this is the car, but if it is not I will change the photo.
There are plans to also highlight another car Lloyd has pictures of in another post later this month. Stay tuned!
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Research Topics & Reports / 67 SS hood photos needed
« on: October 08, 2021, 09:09:48 PM »
Ok I am putting this out there so we can try to get a CRG report on SS hoods finished up. What do we need?
67 SS396 hood (top and bottom views)
67 SS350 hood (bottom view) needs to be as early in the year as possible.
Thanks in advance!
67 SS396 hood (top and bottom views)
67 SS350 hood (bottom view) needs to be as early in the year as possible.
Thanks in advance!
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Research Topics & Reports / CBC (Chassis Broadcast Copy) Prop. Shaft information
« on: June 10, 2021, 02:58:06 PM »
OK need some help here in regards to possibly refining the CRG Driveshaft Report. As with anything, we are always looking for new data and we update reports as we get new solid confirmed information.
Some recent information has surfaced that is suggesting there is yet another driveshaft that needs to be documented for 1967 and another for 1969.
If you have a Chassis Broadcast Copy (CBC) for 67,68 or 69 Camaro we would appreciate your help. These are quite rare, but they do surface sometimes. Would be interested in a clear photo of the whole sheet, or if you want to just include the 2 letter code and the propeller shaft (driveshaft) box, that is fine too. For 69s it is box 230.
Thanks in advance.
You can post here or email me direct.
Some recent information has surfaced that is suggesting there is yet another driveshaft that needs to be documented for 1967 and another for 1969.
If you have a Chassis Broadcast Copy (CBC) for 67,68 or 69 Camaro we would appreciate your help. These are quite rare, but they do surface sometimes. Would be interested in a clear photo of the whole sheet, or if you want to just include the 2 letter code and the propeller shaft (driveshaft) box, that is fine too. For 69s it is box 230.
Thanks in advance.
You can post here or email me direct.
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Promotional Events and Concept Cars / Fiberglass 1967 early production promo
« on: May 14, 2021, 06:33:32 PM »
Not sure if this car has been discussed before or not.
It’s NOT Butternut Yellow. Too bright.
Can’t get photo to load, will resize and try later.
It’s NOT Butternut Yellow. Too bright.
Can’t get photo to load, will resize and try later.
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1968 - Orphans / 124378L339666 docs
« on: May 12, 2021, 09:54:28 AM »
I was recently able to obtain a large amount of original paperwork for 124378L339666 which was sold from Sunset Chevrolet in Sumner, WA. As a side note, my wife's aunt and uncle lived close to this dealership.
This is a Butternut Yellow coupe, with base 327 and the following options. 4 speed, power steering, Z21 style trim, D91 and D96 stripes, tinted glass, door edge guards, Z23 special interior group, deluxe seat belts, console, AM radio. It was delivered with N96 Mag-Style wheel covers but they were removed before the sale. It did get undercoated, polished and serviced by the dealership before the sale to the owner - Linda F. Vaughn (I don't think this was the famous one).
A fellow CRG member (Warren L.) helped me get the package which included.
The dealer manilla folder with VIN sticker on folder tab from their original files.
Dealer Copy of Car Shipper
Chassis Broadcast Copy
Body Broadcast Copy
New Vehicle Inspection and Adjustment Schedule with POP imprint and key codes (2 pages) dated 5/24/68
New Car Service order to provide new car service, clean and polish dated 6/27/68
Dealer Invoice date 6/29/68
2 Dealer Service work orders. One is dated 4/10/69 to "refinish grill and headlight doors. paint peeled off. was no primer on surface? paint would not stay on. sand thoroughly and refinish." Second one is dated 8/27/69 to "fix leak in exhaust, replace gasket at h.r. valve. also check starting system, fails at times."
The window sticker and POP book were not part of the package, but are not really needed to prove what this car was originally. The drivetrain date stamp details are on the POP imprints are on the vehicle inspection and service docs.
This is a good set of docs for CRG research.
If you all have any paperwork you can share, CRG would like to have it but we would keep it confidential and for research only - if that’s what you want.
Bryon
This is a Butternut Yellow coupe, with base 327 and the following options. 4 speed, power steering, Z21 style trim, D91 and D96 stripes, tinted glass, door edge guards, Z23 special interior group, deluxe seat belts, console, AM radio. It was delivered with N96 Mag-Style wheel covers but they were removed before the sale. It did get undercoated, polished and serviced by the dealership before the sale to the owner - Linda F. Vaughn (I don't think this was the famous one).
A fellow CRG member (Warren L.) helped me get the package which included.
The dealer manilla folder with VIN sticker on folder tab from their original files.
Dealer Copy of Car Shipper
Chassis Broadcast Copy
Body Broadcast Copy
New Vehicle Inspection and Adjustment Schedule with POP imprint and key codes (2 pages) dated 5/24/68
New Car Service order to provide new car service, clean and polish dated 6/27/68
Dealer Invoice date 6/29/68
2 Dealer Service work orders. One is dated 4/10/69 to "refinish grill and headlight doors. paint peeled off. was no primer on surface? paint would not stay on. sand thoroughly and refinish." Second one is dated 8/27/69 to "fix leak in exhaust, replace gasket at h.r. valve. also check starting system, fails at times."
The window sticker and POP book were not part of the package, but are not really needed to prove what this car was originally. The drivetrain date stamp details are on the POP imprints are on the vehicle inspection and service docs.
This is a good set of docs for CRG research.
If you all have any paperwork you can share, CRG would like to have it but we would keep it confidential and for research only - if that’s what you want.
Bryon
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Maintenance / Warranty Paperwork
« on: March 08, 2021, 03:40:17 AM »
Warranty paperwork for our old cars seems to be very rare, especially for serious engine work.
With my Silverado which is several years old now, I do have the full detailed paperwork of what they replaced under warranty when I bent a push rod and had a lifter go bad. They actually replaced quite a bit of stuff and there is a "kit" for this, so it must not be all that uncommon.
BUT, on old stuff, paperwork seems hard to find.
Well I came across something recently. A valve spring replacement for a 1968 Camaro L78 with 4.10 axle. I know this because I also have the POP. But attached is the warranty service order from late 1970. Remember, this car would have had a 5 year 50,000 mile warranty.
Anyway, I thought it was kinda cool.
With my Silverado which is several years old now, I do have the full detailed paperwork of what they replaced under warranty when I bent a push rod and had a lifter go bad. They actually replaced quite a bit of stuff and there is a "kit" for this, so it must not be all that uncommon.
BUT, on old stuff, paperwork seems hard to find.
Well I came across something recently. A valve spring replacement for a 1968 Camaro L78 with 4.10 axle. I know this because I also have the POP. But attached is the warranty service order from late 1970. Remember, this car would have had a 5 year 50,000 mile warranty.
Anyway, I thought it was kinda cool.
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Research Topics & Reports / Looking for an original 1967 706 interior car
« on: February 08, 2021, 05:53:27 PM »
We are looking for an original survivor car to look at the details of an original 706 interior.
This was for 1967 and it has a mix of black with yellow/gold.
Thanks in advance!
This was for 1967 and it has a mix of black with yellow/gold.
Thanks in advance!