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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: More pics of an old Z on: November 22, 2013, 10:35:02 PM
GREAT thread Guys.

I like the vintage photos.

47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 B.U. Rear End on: November 22, 2013, 10:29:05 PM
I live in Vancouver, Wa. I've seen their yard many times... not much left of first gen Camaros.  Terry
I concur, last time I was there the 1 gens were shells only, picked to the bone bare, they did have rally wheels stacked like cord wood.
I went in the summer and the Hornets were aggressive and a hazard. The yard is a cool place to troll and get some serious flash back of iron from the past.

48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Storing Tires on: November 22, 2013, 01:20:48 AM
I mounted one of these on my wall of the garage.

Mounted and aired up wit cardboard inbetween,,,,,,

49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals Nov 23 & 24 on: November 22, 2013, 01:16:30 AM
I went in 2011 I think,,,,the ZL1 show case show, and the event was so special.
I got a signed picture from the Grump and a handshake, before his passing (RIP),,,,,

This show was HUGE, I am bummed I have not made it a priority to attend regularly.

The heavy hitters of the Hobby and History makers & Iron are there.

I will enjoy the posted photos and dream of a rip in the future,,,,,,

50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: tie rod paint codes? on: November 18, 2013, 12:42:31 AM
Stop and think about the way the paint daubs "RUNS",,,,,,,,,,,,
51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 Z28 on the CRG Home Page on: November 13, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
I bet it must have been tempting to restore it to the as race configuration.

Great Car.


52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: First attempt at Zinc Plating on: November 05, 2013, 11:17:59 PM
Great work, this makes me want to activate my tanks again.
THis is a wonderful example of DIY, step AWAY from the Eastwood plating in a spray can guys.

Your OCD is a good thing when you produce results like that.


53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original tires on: November 05, 2013, 11:07:34 PM
Q: What does the CRG mean by "normative practice?"

A: The first-generation Camaro was produced at two US factories and at least four foreign sites, in large numbers, for more than three years. Mid-year changes were deliberately made for marketing, production, and safety purposes. Each factory had specific unique assembly practices, many of which are undocumented. The CRG strives to document the released and accepted factory procedures for each major vehicle configuration, and additionally, attempts to document as many of the major variations as can be easily noted.

However, in order to keep assembly lines rolling, some exceptions to "normal" procedure could be and were made by GM. In these cases, GM had a internal process to determine what components or process could be substituted (normally based on fit and function). There were also assembly errors made, including mismarked tags and stamps. Buyers searching for original vehicles should realize that such unusual features can be real, though the CRG does not encounter them frequently.

Therefore the CRG focuses on what we call "normative practices," which are the factory configurations per released procedure for the model year. To the extent that we can, the CRG will also document normative practices as a function of assembly plant and mid-year time frame, though these will never be complete, and in many cases must be observed indirectly by collection of a statistically significant population of vehicle data.

The point is that when inspecting first-generation Camaros an occasional "non-normal" feature will pop up. The reason for documenting typical practice is that the more unusual the feature, and the larger the number of exceptions to practice on a single car, the more the originality of that vehicle should be questioned. While it is difficult to say "never" or "always" about a first-generation Camaro, too many liberties from normative practice should sound a warning bell to any interested in an original vehicle.

How does this figure into a restores choice of tires when attempting to select from the reproduction markets offerings? assuming he has NO evidence of original configuration of his late 69 SS NOR car.
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM silver for Rally wheels. on: November 01, 2013, 10:46:15 PM

I think the same thing is true for all the Rallye wheels of the late '60's at least.    Gray paint was applied by Kelsey for 'service wheels', destined to be sold thru the dealerships, rather than production line parts.

What I meant to say is ALL (5) of my ORIG factory (LOS) installed 76kmi rallys wheel are KH gray on the back side. There is NO black. I have owned the car since 83. I am convinced my car was purchased with the similarly dated orig factory wheels.

FWIW Colvin Book FIG 17-8 1969 14x7 jj standard wheel Kelsey Hays drawing number 082153  seems to confirm that wheels were part numbered with varying finishes ,,,plain, rustproof oiled,,, primed KH spec 3323 black..,,,,
55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM silver for Rally wheels. on: November 01, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
My Orig spare 1967dated Model 1968 14 x 6 Coded "XG" rally wheel is Gray on the back side.

I even think the Book By Colvin has a wheel section and some manufacturing drawings that include painting instructions.

So is it fair to say Black primed wheel base color is NOT,,,,,, a all // every time. You guys might be just talking about 69's,,,,,,,??

56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 rs ss spare tire on: October 28, 2013, 10:33:04 PM
Disc Brakes?? Would that option make a difference on wheels??

Neat Car looks familiar

57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: storage on: October 09, 2013, 11:36:40 PM
Get a couple of the "DRIEZ" granule holders-cups and load them up with the desiccant. Use a pan or bucket for secondary containment to avoid spills at all cost. Check every once in a while and empty and refill with granules. This is VERY important here in the PNW where it friggin RAINS 3 out of the 4 seasons. I maintain usage of these neat simple effective devices all year long and you will be amazed how well it pulls the moisture out of the air. I put one in the trunk and one in the cabin of the car. The bonus is it attracts any spiders or little bugs and they drink the death juice in the cup and you will have no insect problems while the car is unattended. The other feature is the reduction of any mold growth in the car on the upholstery and head liner. They should be available at your local box store or hardware shop. This is a very simple method and the results are worth the time and expense.

58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Re-upholstering '67 front seats on: October 09, 2013, 11:03:50 PM
The Key for me was I did it myself and they looked,,,,OK.
Two Critical ideas: Have a warm area as others have pointed out the materials are much easier to work with when supple (sp?) and pliable. You WILL need two sets of hands to do this. Others will claim they did all alone, but the job is a huge pain w/o 4 hands at the ready.
Go for it.

59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: First attempt at Zinc Plating on: October 09, 2013, 10:44:19 PM
That looks like a CASWELL plating job to me.
I purchased a kit in 2000 and built a variable power supply. I found the finish difficult to obtain (I lacked the necessary brighteners) and got a  dull gray finish. A Lot of the problem can be in your prep. AVOID sandblasting of any kind. You need to clean and polish the surface to obtain a smooth fresh plated part.
Your progress looks good.

I gave up and found a Local Plater who plates the equivalent of a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood part's for 130$ per lot near a local airplane manufacture in North Seattle.

60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Console seat belt clip finish on: October 09, 2013, 10:23:42 PM
My console seat belt clip is painted black and has lots of scraped paint on the friction surfaces where the tongue and belt clasp interface, revealing a plated steel finish. Very original console. I have ONLY replaced the lid in 1985. It would be very difficult to photograph with the console assembled.

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