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Originality / Re: 1967 396
« on: February 25, 2007, 10:38:25 PM »
 You are stating the obvious. I have no idea why Chevrolet built 375 hp Pace cars but I know they did.  All data I have so far indicates the Pace cars were built before Grumpys car. I'm just trying to figure this out but you seem to want to keep your info secret. We all know Grumpy was a important guy but we also know that Chevrolet was already building and using high hp big blocks in other models. I also have no doubt that Grumpy was working with Chevrolet on stuff but your statement that there would be no 375HP Camaro without Grumpy is just plain stupid. Do you think really think that even though Chevrolet had a low hp 396 in a Camaro they would never put a high hp 396 in it without Grumpy ? Amazing.
  I won't mind if it is proven that Grumpys car was a earlier built L78 but it would be nice to have facts and not just drag racing history.

Decoding/Numbers / Re: X11 z/28 on ebay??
« on: February 24, 2007, 09:33:54 PM »
Reserve is not met so assume it is a shill bid of 100K . He does not say Jerry looked at it. He says Jerry certified one other X11 car.  Nice rear bumper guards.

Originality / Re: 1967 396
« on: February 23, 2007, 07:21:42 PM »
   So far I have my car as a 03C car and Grumpys car as a 03D car. I also have my vin being about 2400 cars earlier. I don't have Grumpys body # to compare but I would assume that a 2400 car spread in the vin and 03C versus 03D would put my car earlier. I also would assume that GM doing their Pace car program would have more importance to them than getting a car to a outside drag racer.  It might be that my Pace car and the backup Pace car were the first built L78's  but the Grumpy car was the first built to be sold to the public.
   I also have a very hard time believing that Vince Piggins and Chevrolet couldn't come up with a 375 hp Camaro if ut were not for Grumpy. I don't want to discount any of Grumpys accomplishments but the statement that Chevrolet would never have done a 375 hp Camaro if not for Grumpy is very hard to swallow.

Originality / Re: 1967 396
« on: February 23, 2007, 05:43:55 AM »
What is the vin on Grumpys car ? I made my statement based on KurtS saying my Pace Car was built before Grumpys car. Until he told me that I had never paid any attention to just how early my car was. If I'm incorrect in my statement I would like to get it cleared up.

Originality / Re: 1967 396
« on: February 21, 2007, 02:57:00 PM »
My pace car is a 03C car and I think Grumpys car was about a month later.

General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not?
« on: February 20, 2007, 03:54:09 AM »
Here is my green L89 with a green vinyl top...

The Lincoln Mark VIII fan is the best I have ever used. I have two in cars now. There are other sources for the fan but I found this one on Ebay and posted the link. They move about 4500 CFM. This fan with virtually any big block rtadiator and you should be fine.

Originality / Re: camaro with a slide back sun roof
« on: February 11, 2007, 03:45:10 PM »
I used to own a 70 Z28 called the Hurst Sunshine special that had a slide backvinyl sunroof. It was done by Hurst for GM as a test to see if they wanted to produce it. I think later it was a option on Buicks ?

General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit
« on: February 09, 2007, 07:08:35 AM »
Interesting blog from someone who is in the know.

About Me

Name: Rick Carey

Auctions Editor of Car Collector and Victory Lane magazines. Reporting on the collector car auction market since 1991. Editor of Car Collector's Online Market Journal For more see

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Friday, February 02, 2007

The Barrett-Jackson Rumor Mill, Again

It’s no wonder Craig Jackson sometimes acts paranoid. How many times does Barrett-Jackson have to deal with uninformed rumors?

We’re still putting down the “the Futurliner didn’t sell for $4 million” stories, a year after the $3,680,000 (that’s the $4 million hammer bid less the 8% seller’s commission) wire transfer landed in Montreal.

This week it was “did you hear about the class action against B-J? It’s all over the Internet.”

Well, no I hadn’t, so I went looking.

I found someone named Sam Barer’s posting on his blog. A wide-ranging rant, it started off by accusing B-J of fraud (“some hobbyists are claiming a worst [sic]: fraud”), which must have gotten Mr. Jackson’s attention. Then there it was, Barer says someone “has filed papers with the court” and “this is already being discussed as translating into class-action status.”

Sam claims to be “a collector car journalist” who has “been watching the Barrett-Jackson auction for years.”

From reading his rambling posting it didn’t even appear that he was at B-J, much less on the block where he might have become aware of what goes on there so to find out I called the phone number for his company’s “Business Office.”

I reached Sam at home.

Not only wasn’t Sam at Barrett-Jackson this year, he’s never been to Barrett-Jackson at all. He has been “watching the Barrett-Jackson auction” though. On SPEED Channel. He watched the whole thing, he said – except for the parts he missed. And he “knows people” who’ve bought and sold cars at Barrett-Jackson.

When pressed, Sam admitted that he didn’t know if a suit had been filed. He further allowed that the “class action” was complete conjecture.

This is pathetic. Barrett-Jackson (and Craig Jackson and even Keith Martin who came in for his share of Barer-bashing) has been taking flack from someone who hasn’t any firsthand knowledge of what went on at Barrett-Jackson in 2007 (or any other year). He’s just dishing out recirculated rumors, then piling surmise and conjecture on top of them.

Barrett-Jackson has now issued a statement dealing with Mr. Barer’s rumors and surmise. The statement is clear, concise and factual, unlike the rambling rant that prompted it.

In the case of the lawsuit/class action rumor, there is no “there” there.

Craig Jackson isn’t the one who is paranoid.
Rick Carey
February 2, 2007

Labels: barrett-jackson, collector car auction

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General Discussion / Re: Cowl Tags from the B-J
« on: February 05, 2007, 05:29:36 AM »
Rear axle was not a restamp.. I don't remember if the trans was but the engine and rear were orig. Trans might have been  orig. but I just don't remember.

General Discussion / Re: NEED INFO
« on: February 04, 2007, 03:46:09 PM »
I have never heard of it. I have been to Jay Lenos shop and didn't see it. Leno is not really into musclecars.

General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit
« on: February 03, 2007, 10:14:36 PM »
I just found my copies of some of the paperwork on the blue JL8 Z. Orig.window sticker, Car shipper, purchase contract, Letter dated August 69 from Chevrolet offering to swap out the chambered exhaust for quieter exhaust, article in July 1972 Car Craft on the car pitting it against a Boss 302 and even talking about the 4 wheel disc brakes. Another article in Cars magazine where they add Blackjack headers, Lakewood traction bars, Mallory Super CD,Hays clutch. Options per the window sticker were ...fold down seat,console,spoilers, 410 posi, 4-wheel disc, M21 trans, Rosewood wheel, guages,am radio,Special front bumper,ducted hood,Z28, Black houndstooth deluxe interior.

   I don't remember the build date on the car but as I recall it was built within a week of when Emanuel took delivery. Built in LA and sold new in LA. If I could afford it I would love to have that car back. In 72 it ran a 13.85@105. Great car. I think the guy is nuts if he sends it back.

General Discussion / Re: Barrett-Jackson lawsuit
« on: February 03, 2007, 09:57:17 PM »
Out of 1200 cars there I'm guessing most had the descriptions embellished. We all have different opinions of what restored it, show quality paint etc. The misleading thing on this car would be dealer installed crossram. But they don't tell you what dealer or when. A dealer that had it a year ago would probably qualify.

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