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Mild Modifications / Re: Power Steering Conversion
« on: September 02, 2008, 11:15:01 PM »
I used one of Jim's kits seven years ago - went together fine, no missing parts, no problems.
Hey thanks.  I realize it a matter of opinion, but is it worth the effort.
If you are used to/spoiled by a ps on your daily driver, you'll like the ps on your Camaro. It was the first "upgrade" I did to my 67 and love it. Next is power brakes. I forgot how much pedal pressure it took to get 4 wheel drums to stop a car !!!

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Restoration / Re: sparks plug wiring support 67
« on: September 02, 2008, 11:06:58 PM »
It would be VERY helpful if you could post a picture of it..... ;D There were a LOT of different supports thruout the years.

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Restoration / Re: 67 camaro master cylinder
« on: September 02, 2008, 11:05:20 PM »
Wow.....that's an eye opener about Heartbeat. I can't believe anyone would sell a high risk part like that.  :o
I can't help on the original part number. I know I've seen posts about them.  If the guru's don't respond here, maybe try Team Camaro. Lots more traffic and many of the same people from here over there. I bought my rebuilt MC at Auto- Zone, but it is just 4 wheel drum. Paid $10.00 and have had it on a year now with no issues. You might want to check them out for the disc/drum MC.

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Restoration / Re: Automatic Trans dating ...
« on: September 02, 2008, 06:17:22 AM »
My 67 glide pan code is within a few days of the trim tag build also. It was built on the night shift too, so that should tell you something about the volume of transmissions going out the factory door...I don't think they had time to stock ahead on the Powerglides.

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Restoration / Re: Restoration of the glove box door
« on: September 02, 2008, 06:13:23 AM »
The missing rubber stop may help, but it may not cure it. My 67 is notorious for sticking too. I've tried setting the latch back farther to enhance the preload on the stops and sometimes it pops out and sometimes it don't. It's just like a female........does what it wants, when it wants.... :D

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Restoration / Re: 67 camaro master cylinder
« on: September 02, 2008, 06:09:07 AM »
Seems strange that you would've had 2 in a row that wouldn't build pressure. I'm gonna ask a dumb question, because you don't provide many details, but did you bench bleed them before install ? If these are Auto Zone/Checker/NAPA rebuilds the third one may have been assembled incorrectly.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 2nd gen trim tag decode site?
« on: September 02, 2008, 05:12:05 AM »
Have you tried www.nasty28.com  ?? They specialize in 2nd gen Camaros and may know of a Firebird site.

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General Discussion / Re: Possible find 67 L30/M20
« on: May 05, 2008, 11:38:27 PM »
I think I get it now, just looked at your post again. Is it only the one under the 67 column ending in 032.

Jeff.

Yup, should be the 032 only.

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General Discussion / Re: Possible find 67 L30/M20
« on: May 05, 2008, 04:55:18 PM »
Jeff, found this in CRG. The 67 Saginaw had a unique casting number from the 68-69. The one you are looking at needs to have that casting number.
Transmission               1967           1968  1969
Saginaw 3-speed    3859986    3925647
H-D 3-Speed    Borg-Warner M13
                            T16-1            Muncie MC1
                                                   3911940

Saginaw 4-speed        3915032        3925656

Muncie 4-speed             3885010     3925660

I'm pulling for you, man. I know how it would feel to be able to track down and obtain the original drivetrain for my car........just don't want to see you get "taken" on parts that aren't original.

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General Discussion / Re: 1st Gen Header Panel Differences
« on: May 05, 2008, 01:43:32 PM »
Welcome ...... :)
The 67-68 panels are the same and interchangeable, but the 69's were reshaped to match the fenders and possibly the grille. The 69s don't interchange with any other year. I don't know the exact dimensional differences or how to tell them apart off the car.. :(  Maybe someone else has  pics of them side by side to compare.... 8)

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1967 - Orphans / Re: 7N123006 - L48 engine
« on: May 05, 2008, 01:06:41 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmmm.........the cast and build dates line up and are VERY early, but the VIN doesn't seem to line up. Does it look right to the CRG guys ?? It doesn't match my build date, but it might be fun to have.

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General Discussion / Re: Possible find 67 L30/M20
« on: May 05, 2008, 12:58:11 PM »
I am very hapy to report tonight that it looks like I have found the original Saginaw 4 speed for my car. Two owners back before me still had it stashed away in his storage container. He swears it is the original one from when he had the car. A hefty 500.00 would probably confirm that alone. He know knows what I'm doing, trying to put it back to original. I gave him half down to hold it until the end of the week when I can pay him the rest. It looks like a 4 speed Saginaw and the numbers just under the side cover are R7T27. I'll post the pictures at the end of the week when I get it.

 Thanks Stillwatwer, I'll study up on that link you provided.
That's great that it may be the original, Jeff, but make absolutely certain before you pay that King's ransom for it. I love it when people take advantage of you when they know they have something you want. For that price, I suggest getting all the numbers off the pad and any casting numbers and post them here first to have the CRG guys verify it as the original. .....If it isn't the original it's worth $100 around here.
I was at a big swap meet yesterday and could've bought 6 Muncie's for LESS than that. It seems the old 4 speeds are dropping in price with many people opting for 5-6 speeds now.

Good luck with the quest on the transmission. You're very lucky to even be able to trace the history back that far. I can't get the last owner of mine to answer my letters for history.

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General Discussion / Re: Possible find 67 L30/M20
« on: May 03, 2008, 01:04:41 AM »
It looks like there may have been a E near the middle and then a little ways down a V but that's all. Off to the left it looks like there may have been a row of very tiny numbers starting right at the pad edge. Not sure though.

Jeff.

Jeff, I was digging around in the CRG info and found this http://www.camaros.org/public/acidetch.txt  It is a way to bring out the faint stamp marks to better read them. Might be worth a try, if you are comfortable working with the Muriatic acid.

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Originality / Re: original exhaust size
« on: May 01, 2008, 02:00:55 PM »
2.25 was the original size and I believe the Gardner is an exact duplicate of it. That spec measurement is OD, so the ID is close to 2", if that is where you are measuring it at. If I remember right that gasket holder can be cut back to very near the lip were the ring sits and eliminates most of the restriction you are talking about. You need to be careful to tighten the 3 studs evenly to prevent the gasket from getting cockeyed and leaking. The extra length that seats in the head pipe allowed the factory workers to do it quickly without as much attention to detail.


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General Discussion / Re: Possible find 67 L30/M20
« on: May 01, 2008, 01:46:25 PM »
Thats' gotta be satisfaction, putting an older camaro back together in three days and then driving it. Great job. I think my three boys are wondering if I can "EVER" put a car back together.

I had a sideline hobby/job repairing and parting GM cars from this era during the 70's and am quite familiar with their assembly. I have a big shop too and layed out all the pieces, like an exploded view, on the floor. I dumped out the box of fasteners that he gave me and sorted them all out. I even have a large assortment of vintage fasteners from my parting out days to supplement any missing from the car. I had to buy a radiator, as he had trashed the original, but with that I was able to have it running and movable under it's own power. He had gutted the right door and broken the window glass and rear window moving them around for a year, so I found used glass locally. It was a real challenge reassembling the right door from scratch without having taken it apart. I used the left door as an example of where all the pieces went. That stage and the partial restoration of the interior aren't included in the 3 day sheetmetal reassembly. I did have to buy new carpet and rear package shelf as well as the trunk divider board, since it has the fold down seat option too. I have since bought and installed a nice pair of standard buckets to use until I can get my originals rebuilt. This week, I replaced the upper control arm bushings and installed new KYB shocks on all 4 corners. I'm currently working on sandblasting and painting a set of 78 Z28 wheels for it. I didn't like the rally wheels that came on it and I had my set of 88 IROC wheels on it while my 88 was being painted, but I put them back on the IROC last week too. It all takes time, but is do-able if you have some mechanical aptitude and the desire to see it emerge as you want it. You'll get there...:)

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