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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 30, 2014, 09:56:18 PM
FWIW, To really confuse this issue, I have also seen 3 versions of the # 3901708 trim ring with the 4 clips. The clips are the same but the internal ring that retains the clips into the crimped over outer have 3 different styles, 1 is like what Gary posted which is just a flat ring and 2 others that have a inner ring with a raised up portion towards the inside, 1 is much higher than the other as can be seen in the picture i posted. The upper 1 is NOS in a old old GM Box.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 28, 2014, 03:03:26 AM
Interesting to note my GM Camaro parts book dated Aug/74 shows only 1 trim ring for 1969 Z28 - # 3901708. Then a later issue GM Camaro parts Book dated Sept/75 shows - # 9796696. No trim ring attaching style notes are included in either parts book description.

My GM Chevelle Parts Book dated Apr/76 shows the  # 3901708 trim ring as - 2&1/2" wide -Attaches with 4 clips, fitting 74-76. It then also shows # 9796696 as a supplemented part number for this ring.

Then it shows # 9796696 fitting 70-73 Monte Carlo and it says - Approx 2&1/2" Wide - Attaches with 4 Clips.

I do know that later issue # 9796696 trim rings had the serrated teeth or fingers and were still available from GM I think until approx. 2007? There is also 2 versions of this ring, early issue had Black Serrations and the later issue had Silver Serrations. I have a NOS set of the # 9796696 and the boxes are dated Mar/2000 and they have the silver serrations.

My personal opinion is that the # 3901708 - 4 clip style trim rings were the original line installed trim ring on the Z28, and the later issue # 9796696 trim ring with the serrations was a mid 70,s service trim ring, and was also used by the dealer to replace existing 4 clip trim rings after that part number # 3901708 was superceded to # 9796696.

Jerrys Book only mentions that 2 styles of trim rings were used.  No Offence meant but I honestly don't see how  a legends judge could comment with certainty that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring to stop the 4 clip design falling off, when the Early dated 1974 GM Camaro and Chevelle parts Book do not show the Serrated type trim ring.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 26, 2014, 12:09:26 AM
The printed date on that paper is 9-23-66 and can be found at all the Corvette places. Does anyone have one with a later date like 1969.

Mike

I think Mine is dated 11/68 ?, it is GM original , it was with the car when I bought it in 1974, along with the Pop, battery warranty card, visor sleeve , owners manual, and a lot of other documentation including parts bills etc.
It is not a reproduction and I see no reason to doubt it didn't come with the car.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 25, 2014, 12:44:09 PM
Picture of trim ring card
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: trim ring fit to rim on: January 23, 2014, 02:51:51 PM
I will try and get a good pix of the gap and post it.  As for the 03E car, as I posted before I was told by a legends judge that in or around Feb 1969 they went to the fingers all the way around the ring do to the 4 clip design falling off.

I personaly don't believe that, my 06A has 4 clip rings. Bought the car in 74 and the protecto plate and owners manual was in the glove box as well as the visor sleeve operating instructions and a original trim ring removal card showing 4 clips. It also has the original spare, although used and the rim shows no evidence of ever having the gouge marks from a finger type trim ring. A buddys 09A (69) has the finger type trim rings.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Canadian Emissions / Smog on: January 09, 2014, 05:01:03 PM
I have 2 Canadian GM Vintage Vehicle Documents for 1968 Camaros, both 396/375HP cars and 1 has KD1 code which is smog exempt (delete) and the other does not. The cars are about 3 weeks apart. The non smog equipped car was sold new at Beny Chev Olds in Lethbridge/Alberta/Canada in March/68, the other with smog equipment was sold at Stedelbauer in Edmonton/Alberta/Canada in Feb/68. 

My own 06A RSZ28 has smog and was delivered to Beny Chev Olds in Lethbridge/Alberta/Canada,

1969 Canadian cars had smog unless the GM Documents showed KD1, which was smog delete, this might only apply to solid lifter cars. I think there was like a $17 credit if the guy ordering the car was savy enough to list RPO KD1, this was only to Canadian delivered cars not USA.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1100837 Alternator Stamping - Original? on: November 03, 2013, 03:19:22 PM
Here is my 9-E-23, still has the CZ ink stamp, 100% ORIGINAL for sure, have owned this Z28 since 1974. Its kinda scratched up from some ham fisted morron using a pry bar to tighten the belt, it still has the dated diodes and has never been apart. The 00 is faint on it too, as well as the 7 on the stamp.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z 302 pulley finishes on: May 27, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
weren't some smog pulleys 'phosphated'?   I think Jerry's book also says that...??   


My 06A Z28 smog pulley is phosphated, its original
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 4053 Carb question. on: May 23, 2013, 10:56:35 AM
FWIW, and JMO but Personally I have never seen a "Known Original" Holley 4053, 4346,  2818, 3246, 3247 etc., pre 1972 Holley carb that did not have the clutch head housing and screws. The later hsg with the Phillips screws shows up a lot on service dated or "restored" carbs from well known carb restoration company's for some reason. The early accelerator pump housings are very prone to bending/warping from over tightening as well as engine heat.

BTW I have been rebuilding/restoring carbs for 45 yrs., so I have seen lots.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Ball Joints 69 Camaro on: May 15, 2013, 10:44:08 AM
As noted, I have changed lots of lowers, but as a rule the uppers last a lot longer. If you feel like you want new ones, then use the Heratbeat ball joints, they are close enough for what you are doing IMO.
 BTW riveting them in is not that hard, if you don't want to tackle it, take them to a big rig truck shop, they will have a rivit press and the tools.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: manual trans neutral switch on: May 15, 2013, 10:36:40 AM
I have never seen the white 70 switch on 69, A friend has a 11B/69 and it has the metal switch like below.

http://www.heartbeatcitycamaro.com/store/product/12742/Camaro-Neutral-safety-switch-4speed-1969/
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Owner's Manual - 3rd Edition, 1969 on: May 13, 2013, 09:35:41 PM
It is Important to note - That Canadian Delivered Cars used a different manual, they had a Red Front Cover instead of Blue, and they dont contain the Helm pages.
28  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / 19N541313 V1111DZ on Ebay on: May 08, 2013, 10:33:21 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Z28-DZ-302-Short-Block-Original-Shortblock-/140972006570?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20d2961caa#ht_118wt_917
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Battery Side post or top question on: April 20, 2013, 08:56:09 AM


My 06A RSZ28 has the original side post cables, it was made approx June 20, shipped June 23, ( Canadian Documentation). All June cars are 06A BTW. The original battery was a Y77 with different size terminal threads. My car had the original battery when I bought it, it has a Delco Replacement and I had to change 1 attachment bolt. I have a NOS Y77 battery for future use.


30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: What carb date for my 06A early June Z on: April 15, 2013, 11:14:02 PM
Those are the "correct missing choke parts"
Accelerator Pump housing looks like it has clutch screws, and the baseplate is the original unreinforced line installed. The choke pull off has been changed at 1 time as it appears to be a straight nipple. Original 4053 has a small bend in the nipple where the vacumn line pushed on. No Big Deal.
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