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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1969 Camaro Z/28 Original Transmission and Axle ratio combination on: November 27, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
If you have or had an original 1969 Z/28 and know the transmission type and axle ratio please answer.

The 3.73:1 rear axle was the ratio you got unless something else was checked on the order form.
The other axle options were economy, performance, and special where you specified in the ratio.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 27, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
maybe a poll would help..... (see the new poll)

Poll is a good idea. I am also interested in the rear axle ratio since the M20 and M21/M22 have different first gear ratios. I find it odd Chevy does not change the standard rear axle ratio based on the transmission first gear ratio since that can make a big difference in drivability. Please excuse, I am going to make a new poll including axle ratio's.

The reason I am looking for this information is a friend just bought an Ebay special X33 car with NOM but supposed to have original transmission and rear end. I thought the info would already be researched, but have not been able to find it. I have not seen the car yet, and am waiting for him to get the numbers.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 27, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
On the RPO Spreadsheet PDF the # of combined 4 spds (m20,21,22) comes to 66434, but the trans usage chart near the top of page says 4spd usage total is 55813 (1969 year). Why?

Interesting observation. The total of all 1969 transmissions is 256,561 yet only 243,085 cars.

Where did the extra 13,476 transmissions go? The bulk of the discrepancy is in 4 speeds, 10,621. Maybe they went out the back door on 3rd shift!

So much for accurate RPO numbers...

http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 26, 2013, 10:07:11 PM
M20 was definitely a more popular transmission across the entire line, but M21 and M22 were only available in high HP cars so looking at the  RPO number sold is difficult to decipher.

M20: 37816
M21: 26501
M22:  2117

A lot of those M21's had to make their way into Z/28's so I think your estimates for M21 is a bit low.

CRG must have enough data to estimate.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 26, 2013, 07:37:39 PM
That is not known... it would be a guesstimate at best which would do nothing to advance factual information.
Chevrolet unlike other GM divisions and of course FORD and CHRYSLER appears to have either lost or discarded the records long ago.

I realize that, and a guestimate at best will suffice. Some of CRG data information is not factual. It is based on estimates, or "guesstimates".

CRG has enough cars in the database to give approximate color usage. They should have enough Z/28's to estimate transmission and axle ratio's.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 26, 2013, 04:08:44 PM
What percentage of 1969 Z/28's had the M20, M21, and M22 transmissions?

Also what percentage had an optional rear axle ratio, i.e. other than 3.73:1?

It seems that there should be a percentage approximation somewhere on CRG but I am unable to find it.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum Anahiem on: November 23, 2013, 01:30:24 PM
Sold. $1300. Actually not a bad price for a running van with 103,000 miles and working AC.



38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum Anahiem on: November 22, 2013, 01:29:31 PM
Carburetor Carl (current owner) stated the car was repainted many years ago by Earl Scheib.



39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum Anahiem on: November 22, 2013, 01:00:28 AM

Here you go, unrestored  69 396/375hp scheduled for auction on Sat. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=AN1113-168140. Car was getting a LOT of attention.

There is an old thread on TC about this car. What did you think of the car?

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89126
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Mecum Anahiem on: November 22, 2013, 12:53:16 AM
Yesterday the Shelby van was a head turner, as was the orange/white stripe 69 Camaro.

The Shelby van? You mean this turd? We stopped to look at it only because we couldn't figure out why it was there.

Is it a desirable vehicle? We kind of thought it represented a low point in an otherwise great mans life.



41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First Ford Mustang sold to public story on: September 13, 2013, 12:13:08 PM
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But the project took on a new urgency when Tom Wise heard another Chicago resident claim to have bought the very first Mustang sold to the public, with a bill of sale from April 16, 1964.

"We dug up the old papers, and I found the one with April 15th on it," Wise told Yahoo. "We drove up there and showed it to him, and he kind of did a double take."

Well it must really suck to be the guy who paid $5.5 Million for the now SECOND Mustang sold to the public!

http://jalopnik.com/5403150/first-production-ford-mustang-on-ebay-buy-it-now-for-55-million
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: First Ford Mustang sold to public story on: September 13, 2013, 12:12:26 PM
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But the project took on a new urgency when Tom Wise heard another Chicago resident claim to have bought the very first Mustang sold to the public, with a bill of sale from April 16, 1964.

"We dug up the old papers, and I found the one with April 15th on it," Wise told Yahoo. "We drove up there and showed it to him, and he kind of did a double take."

Well it must really suck to be the gut who paid $5.5 Million for the now SECOND Mustang sold to the public!

http://jalopnik.com/5403150/first-production-ford-mustang-on-ebay-buy-it-now-for-55-million
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Canadian POP reissue on: July 14, 2013, 07:45:40 PM
Since GM of Canada has the records for these cars, it shouldn't be too difficult to decode once you get enough plates.
Then again, why bother if you have the GM Canadian DOC's

Here is another random Canadian POP off the web. It has an extra field with BCD.





No pic - just a red "X".

Hmmm, it was showing up for me then, but is also gone for me now.

I will try again.-

44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: More Vins in Data Base on: July 13, 2013, 12:26:01 PM
You might be right, but i don't think you will ever get that car for 30K. They are asking 70K. I can only assume they way over paid  and are waiting for a bigger fool.

If you want to buy from a dealer, try back in the day classics on Avalon at the 405. Talk to Gary K. At least they know classics.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: More Vins in Data Base on: July 13, 2013, 11:59:44 AM
A new car dealership is not a good place to buy a classic muscle car.  Those cars need work and are overpriced.

It looks like the sales managers attempt at making a quick buck based on book values like they do with late model cars. Doesn't work that well with all the variables on 40+ year old cars.


This 68 is having an identity crisis, labeled as a 67 RS, with 69 seats, mismatched tires, and the list goes on.

http://www.southbaybmw.com/1968-Y-Torrance-CA/vd/15014753

They do do a good job of showing the tires and wheels in all their ads, and the VIP service sounds like a good thing for your everyday car.
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