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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: January 17, 2014, 01:46:04 AM
I have the original POP on my car that shows the original owner and selling dealership.  Will this information from NCRS provide anything that I don't already have?  The build sheet is what I'm after to see what options my car was born with.

Thanks,


You have what you believe is the original POP. What if the records show an altogether different dealer than the one shown on your POP?

I am sure this will catch more than one person by surprise. Maybe not you, but for sure there are a lot of made up POP's out there with guestimated dealerships that are not going to match official records.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: So you think you have a Dana, Nickey,Berger Baldwin, etc...? on: January 17, 2014, 01:42:12 AM
Tantalizing, to be sure. If the NCRS can pry this out of GM Heritage, it makes you wonder what GM is still has up the corporate sleeve and keeping from us (take the Pontiac records disclosure as an example)? Sure, they are a private company; sure, they are probably worried about legal ramifications, but why not help us out big time and kick the fraud out of the hobby ?

Wishful thinking, only. I definitely welcome the chance to find out some additional info on a couple of my "investments".

Regards -
Steve

Is this information actually coming from GM Heritage, or are they just allowing it to be released from a third party source such as National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB)?

AFAIK, this information has been known as recorded by NICB, but only accessible under special circumstances. It seems NCRS has arranged access for the common man. Great news.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Supposedly 302 Mustang 'Barn Find' on: January 07, 2014, 03:16:04 PM
Makes for a good story with lots of click trough's.

Ebay also re-blogged it today, but with a bit more back story and of course, a link to the auction.

Looks more 'carefully cared for and preserved classic' than "barn find" to me.

http://www.ebay.com/blogs/stories/pristine-1969-mustang-302-barn-find

Lots more hiding spaces in that barn, think there are any more finds in there?

19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: CAMARO Performers Jan. '14 issue pg. 16 on: December 30, 2013, 05:24:56 PM
That is a keen observation Mark. Even Camaro Performers missed that. They commented on not knowing what the 17 on the firewall meant.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Another ebay seller caught in a lie (Geez, now THERE'S a surprise!) on: December 19, 2013, 01:20:58 PM
Not just a liar, but a bad liar. The last FOUR digits are off, not the last 3.

Bid is up to 34,900 and reserve not met. The problem with dishonest sellers is that nothing can be trusted, even the bids are suspect.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: power steering on: December 01, 2013, 10:44:15 AM
Use a crowfoot line wrench. AKA crowfoot flare nut wrench.
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 Original Transmission and Axle ratio combination on: November 29, 2013, 02:09:31 PM
Thanks Kurt. I forget sometimes there is a small difference between 10 and 12 bolt ratios like 3.08/3.07 and 4.11/4.10.

BTW if you have a special ratio feel free to post it. The poll would get way to complicated if I tried to include all possibilities.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 Original Transmission and Axle ratio combination on: November 28, 2013, 03:50:52 PM
Not interested in open or posi rear?
Not for this purpose. I suspect the percentage of posi units is high due to Chevy recommending it with the 3.73 and requiring it with the 4.10 and above.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro Z/28 Original Transmission and Axle ratio combination on: November 28, 2013, 03:39:01 PM
BE or BV or QY is 4.10 ratio.

I voted "4.11 rear" since it's the closest one, and I have a BV code with a M21.


Not quite sure what you mean. 4.11 is not an option from the factory or in the poll.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1969 Camaro Z/28 Original Transmission and Axle ratio combination on: November 27, 2013, 09:36:12 PM
If you have or had an original 1969 Z/28 and know the transmission type and axle ratio please answer.

The 3.73:1 rear axle was the ratio you got unless something else was checked on the order form.
The other axle options were economy, performance, and special where you specified in the ratio.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 27, 2013, 09:20:13 PM
maybe a poll would help..... (see the new poll)

Poll is a good idea. I am also interested in the rear axle ratio since the M20 and M21/M22 have different first gear ratios. I find it odd Chevy does not change the standard rear axle ratio based on the transmission first gear ratio since that can make a big difference in drivability. Please excuse, I am going to make a new poll including axle ratio's.

The reason I am looking for this information is a friend just bought an Ebay special X33 car with NOM but supposed to have original transmission and rear end. I thought the info would already be researched, but have not been able to find it. I have not seen the car yet, and am waiting for him to get the numbers.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 27, 2013, 12:26:29 PM
On the RPO Spreadsheet PDF the # of combined 4 spds (m20,21,22) comes to 66434, but the trans usage chart near the top of page says 4spd usage total is 55813 (1969 year). Why?

Interesting observation. The total of all 1969 transmissions is 256,561 yet only 243,085 cars.

Where did the extra 13,476 transmissions go? The bulk of the discrepancy is in 4 speeds, 10,621. Maybe they went out the back door on 3rd shift!

So much for accurate RPO numbers...

http://www.camaros.org/pdf/options.pdf
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 26, 2013, 10:07:11 PM
M20 was definitely a more popular transmission across the entire line, but M21 and M22 were only available in high HP cars so looking at the  RPO number sold is difficult to decipher.

M20: 37816
M21: 26501
M22:  2117

A lot of those M21's had to make their way into Z/28's so I think your estimates for M21 is a bit low.

CRG must have enough data to estimate.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 26, 2013, 07:37:39 PM
That is not known... it would be a guesstimate at best which would do nothing to advance factual information.
Chevrolet unlike other GM divisions and of course FORD and CHRYSLER appears to have either lost or discarded the records long ago.

I realize that, and a guestimate at best will suffice. Some of CRG data information is not factual. It is based on estimates, or "guesstimates".

CRG has enough cars in the database to give approximate color usage. They should have enough Z/28's to estimate transmission and axle ratio's.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / What is the breakdown of 4 speed transmision types in 1969 Z/28's? on: November 26, 2013, 04:08:44 PM
What percentage of 1969 Z/28's had the M20, M21, and M22 transmissions?

Also what percentage had an optional rear axle ratio, i.e. other than 3.73:1?

It seems that there should be a percentage approximation somewhere on CRG but I am unable to find it.
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