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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 16, 2014, 10:21:23 PM
If there are other known pilot cars and they have VIN's, has anyone, other than the owner of N100001, requested the shipping reports from NCRS?

If some you CRG fellows are connected to the NCRS fellows, perhaps you could request the first 49 or so Camaro shipping reports by VIN pro bono. That might shed some light on the pilot car project.

Of course the guy who spent $250,000 to restore the first coupe and plans on spending $200,00 to restore the first convertible may have already beat you to the punch!
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 13, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
The booklet shows Fisher #DD01D with Fisher Pilot Plant #21 - Detroit as the starting location.

Would that be a complete body delivered to Chev with front fenders and rolling chassis, or just the firewall back as they would be delivered during actual production?

3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Camaro Pilot Line Assembly Process and Procedures on: December 13, 2014, 01:46:13 PM
I assume you guys (Mark and Kurt) have the Chevrolet 1967 pre production build schedule booklet that kind of kicked this whole thing off. Do you know where I can see it on the web? Is CRG going to make it available?

BEFORE Chevrolets went into production, there was a pilot car; a car built by hand for fitment, ease of use for production line tools and many other reasons. In separate areas, these cars would be built, taken apart, re-fitted and more. Please read the first few pages as to the contents. It covers 49 NORWOOD-BUILT  “F-Body” Camaros and 10 LOS ANGELES built cars; 3 Camaros and 7 full size Chevrolets’ including the 427 SS Impala. In this  37-page, 5.5 x 8.5 booklet, you’ll find the specific cars, the options they were built with, production dates, delivery date, where they went and who at the dealer was to receive them! There are even personal, hand-written notes from 47 years ago.

Is this the only booklet of it's type that is known? It would seem there would be one produced every new model year, or at least every time a major model change was introduced.
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: COST OF BUYING CARS WITH OR WITHOUT RUST on: December 06, 2014, 12:14:18 PM
Some people are only interested in numbers matching cars. That's not me.

I am only interested in solid body cars that are free of any major rust.

I just don't have the time and space to repair them and the cost in my area for that kind if work is very expensive.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection on: November 21, 2014, 05:22:50 PM

"blah blah blah... has been certified by Jerry MacNeish"

Let's hope that's not  all some people will hear and assume it's all good.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection on: November 16, 2014, 09:51:36 PM
Anybody watch the velocity/Barrett Jackson / ron pratte collection TV show? Very interesting.

Yes. It was nice to see the collection, but it felt like the whole thing was an infomercial.

How many times did Steve Davis say "once in a lifetime opportunity'? And does he really need those sunglasses all the time? I know he has an eye condition that requires them on the brightly lit auction stage, but there seems to be no known picture of him without them.

And Cleo Shelby was/is quite a looker. Must have made Carroll a happy man at some point. Glad they got that feud over the body settled!

7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Documented 1970 RS Z/28 National Press Camaro on: November 11, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
Don't see too many CA Manufacturer license plates.

Car was on ebay:

I have seen more CA MFG plates than I have seen build sheets with special notes. Do you have a lot of build sheets with special notes at CRG?

15 seems to be a popular CA MFG plate number, perhaps it's assigned to GM?

Living in CA I see a few MFG plates on the highway these days. Some CA some MI. I just saw a pair of camouflaged cars with MI MFG plates zipping down the 405 freeway late at night with light traffic. I was tempted to see where they were going!
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Heartbeat Camaro 'Motherload' on: November 08, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
Old muscle car parts are like diamonds.
By that, I mean price is controlled by supply vs demand. There is no true shortage of diamonds, yet they are valuable.
There are many stock piles of old parts out there. Everybody that's been around these cars for a while knows someone with a stash of parts they are holding onto, hoping for a big payday.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Documented 1970 RS Z/28 National Press Camaro on: November 08, 2014, 04:18:49 PM
I saw this car on my local Craigslist and thought it looked pretty real. There are often stories about cars being special built for certain events, but this one seems to be documented via the build sheet:

1970 Chevrolet Camaro RS / Z28
 GM National Press Showing / Magazine Cover Car

 This 1970 Camaro Z28 was part of a "National Press showing" in February of '70 and was featured on the cover of at least one automotive publication (see details below) as well as appearing in "Camaro Muscle Portfolio" published by Brooklands Books in 1992. Spending it's entire life in Southern California, the car is in exceptional condition. Originally finished in "Citrus Green Poly", the current owner performed a minor restoration in 2007 and had the body refinished in the factory-correct "Forest Green Poly" with black stripes. A 1970 date-coded 400 cid Chevrolet small block was also installed in addition to numerous upgrades and optional equipment including an RS Front Spoiler. Aside from the original Production Broadcast / Build Sheet, (which states this vehicle is to be used for press purposes), documentation also includes original parts and repair receipts dating back to the late 1970's.


 In late January 1970, Camaro #3475 pulled out of the GM Assembly Plant in Van Nuys, California three days ahead of it's scheduled February 3rd production date. Specially ordered with both the Z22 Rally Sport Package and Z28 Special Performance Option, the "Citrus Green Poly" & black striped Camaro had already been reserved by Hansen Chevrolet in West Los Angeles. However, before the dealer took full possession of the car, it was fitted with a manufacturer plate (34F 015) and transported to the new car prep lot along with five other Z28's in various color schemes.

 Over the course of the next two weeks, members of the automotive press (including Motor Trend, Car & Driver, Hot Rod and Motorcade) made arrangements to conduct extensive reviews of the new Z28's and either specified or were assigned a particular car. White vinyl adhesive numbers were applied to the front and rear windows of each car with a corresponding spec sheet listing specific trim, options, etc. The "Citrus Green Poly" Camaro was identified as #3 in the group and initially assigned to Motorcade magazine, which featured it on the cover of their May issue. GM Heritage Center has confirmed that only one "Citrus Green Poly" Z28 was part of the 1970 National Press Showing in Southern California and all specs listed in the Motorcade article exactly match this vehicle's original build sheet. The Heritage Center archivists are also in the process of decoding the specially-assigned manufacturer license plates from the 1969-71 period.

It's too bad it's not painted the original color and it's missing the LT1 engine  Sad

VIN: 124870L503475
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 124677N236950 on: September 29, 2014, 11:00:30 PM
Any opinions on the selling price of $60,500?
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 124677N236950 on: September 27, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
Did you guys ever reunite paperwork with the car?

I found this thread while researching this car for sale at BJ. I attempted to broker this car to George E. back in the very early 90's, but got cut out of the deal by being naïve and divulging too much information. I was talking with Bob H. back then, and I think he got cut out of the deal as well. It's a long story, and I have since forgot about it until I saw this car and thread. Does anyone know George E.?

The car recently sold at auction for 60,500. Seems a bit low for the real deal. When it went to George, the last price discussion I heard was near the 40K range, way back then.

12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Convertible Windshield Header Moldings on: September 06, 2014, 10:41:49 AM
All of the 68's I have seen with original header moldings have looked like the ones in the first post.
Shiny chrome in the front, and satin chrome in the back.
Not sure about the 69's, but if it was a DOT thing, they are probably the same as 68.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice documents on this 1968 RS/SS 396 on: June 30, 2014, 03:25:22 PM
Not mine, I just was comparing it to my car which is almost identical, except mine is blue/blue.

14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Nice documents on this 1968 RS/SS 396 on: June 30, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
Not often you find a car where the owner seems to have saved everything like this one.
Did the dealer always take a POP imprint when the car was in for service, or did this car have a lot of warranty work done?

Perhaps CRG can use some of these docs for their files. They all look legit to me. What do you guys think, legit or not?
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection on: June 02, 2014, 01:17:41 PM
Here is another article with some pictures of his collection. I do not see the Green Z in any of the pictures (including backgrounds).

Is his collection open to public viewing?

Interesting how the article comments on how he cashed out of the home building market at just the right time. I hope his timing of cashing out of the car market doesn't follow the same course!

It will be interesting to see the net profit (or loss) of his collection over the years.
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