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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vin/Trim number help 69 RS/SS 396 on: April 06, 2015, 08:25:14 PM
That guy sells a lot of Camaro's. He likes to photograph them at that summer resort area, Geneva on the Lake OH.

Looks like he found the HDR button on the camera!
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1967 Camaro Pacesetter Sale on: March 18, 2015, 03:12:32 PM
Another ad including truck info:

3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Caveat Emptor on: March 17, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
A 302 with M21 and 3.07 gears. That will eat a few clutches!
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Where have all the RS SS's gone ? on: March 16, 2015, 01:24:09 PM
The story .. not sure what sounds embellished to you  Huh


He bought all of them during the early 70's (71-73).  All supposedly matching numbers front to back and all original and untouched except for the (1) 68 that had front end damage (reason for the orange nose).  Six first gen true RS SS's stored away for the future

Looking at the pictures of the cars, I don't see original untouched cars that look like they where put away when they where 4-6 years old.

Maybe I misinterpreted your statement. Perhaps they where that way when he bought them in 1971-73 and then he proceeded to enjoy using them for many years before they got old and tired and then he stored them for the future.

To me, they look like the first gen Camaro's I used to find in the middle 80's, before the big restoration phase and run up in prices. Still, nice find and thanks for sharing.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Where have all the RS SS's gone ? on: March 15, 2015, 02:28:39 PM
Looks like a nice find! Too bad he will probably not sell any of them, at least not at current marked value. But it wouldn't hurt to keep in touch and continue trying. Sometimes collectors like this appreciate the attention. Sometimes they don't, but then they usually don't show them off.

The story is nice, but does sound a bit embellished. Those are 80's style steel wheels, how did they get on there if they where all bough in 1970-73?
As far as one car having every option available, that is just not possible. There are to many overlapping options and multiple option choice's for this to happen. But that was a common way to describe high option cars back in the day, before we actually White Books and RPO lists.

And the black one isn't an SS.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stolen 1967 Camaro Convertable on: March 10, 2015, 12:45:40 PM
That VIN comes up clean on the NICB theft record check. Has it been reported stolen?

You used the word "kidnapped" not stolen. You are a PI so I assume you have a reason for that. Is this more of a domestic case or a skip trace than an outright auto theft case?

Do you know the identity of the mid 30's Hispanic female last seen driving it?
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 Camaro Vin124679N589834 what engine/badges, need help to decide on: February 02, 2015, 12:49:27 PM
With that VIN and trim tag, your would have been a 307 or 350 V8 small block. No other engine possible.

The trim tag shows original Lemans Blue with white convertible top and deluxe ivory interior. That is a super desirable color combo. Someday you could put it back to that if you get tired of the triple black it is now.

That car is so far from stock, leave it as is. It's a nice custom.  If you wanted old school factory original, get another car.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection on: January 16, 2015, 01:14:57 PM
One thing, I'd like to know, how they figured out it is a re-body. Everyone was so sure it wasn't, back then.

Jerry M. wasn't there inspecting cars last time - he is this year.  :-)

Jerry M inspected the car for the owner before the 2008 auction and the car hasn't changed. What has changed is that Jerry M is now working for BJ and they are trying to reduce the amount of fraud and misrepresentation.

This car was outed on this site and TC, so much so that Mike Joy himself signed up to post about the car.

They really had no choice but to change the description to reflect the re-body. The restoration (re-stamped) drivetrain was noted in the "final" 2008 inspection report, but not in the auction description.

Does anyone see a change in how the cars are described this year? I have. Quite a few Corvettes now being described as having reproduction trim tags.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Ron Pratte collection on: January 14, 2015, 01:30:49 PM
From BJ description:
Car was re-bodied and restored with all GM sheet metal, bumpers and tons of NOS GM parts.

I don't remember the "re-bodied" being there when the car was first listed. Maybe now that Jerry M is responsible for verifying all the Camaro's at BJ and this car is so well known on the Camaro boards, he requested a description change.

Jerry MacNeish and Norman Meads were hired by Vice President of Consignment, Gary Bennett, at The Barrett Jackson Auction Company.  Our job is to authenticate all restored first-generation Camaros, Novaís and Chevelleís that are consigned to all Barrett Jackson auctions.  Our mission is to protect the consigners and buyers who attend these auctions by verifying that the description on all vehicles is correct.  If the description states that the car is numberís matching, it is our job to verify and certify that the drive train in the car is original to the car.  If it is not, the consigner must change the description of the vehicle.  Due to all of the fraud and misrepresentation in the car hobby today, Barrett Jackson is going the extra distance to bring honesty back to the collector car hobby.

Everything I saw in the Ron Pratte collection sold well last night and this car was no exception. I was just dissapointed that they cut to commercial when it went across the block. I would have loved to hear the commentary on that one! I suppose they wanted to avoid any controversy like last time when Pratte bought it. Anyone here attend the auction and recall what was said about the car on the block?

10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Hi everyone, new guy here...... on: January 14, 2015, 12:59:15 PM
Reproduction door panels have a "puffy' appearance, like yours. Originals are much flatter.

U17 was available on any model. However, you have the body broadcast copy, which shows what was installed at the factory. I can't read your small picture very well, and by no means an expert, but I believe on line 3 it should have a cluster box and yours looks like "NF". That would correspond to a sticker on the back of the cluster.  I don't have a list of cluster codes, but CRG should know. I am guessing Kurt knows these codes and NF is probably the standard speedo and fuel gauge.

Also, reproduction tachs look different. Post a pic of the tach if you want to know OEM or reproduction.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: More 69 Z/28 Ebay fraud on: January 07, 2015, 01:38:35 PM
Kurt, I say pull it, delete the whole thing. There is plenty more out there, and there always will be. It's not like we are having a discussion about a members car who needs help cause he wants to buy it. You got the info in the DB it's done. There is going to be 100's. That missing tag info is a big piece of information.. Just my opinion... Danny

The problem with removing the thread is that "The Data Base" is privately held and few have access. Nothing will show up if a potential buyer searches a VIN. That's why regular members post these Trim Tags and VIN's, isn't it? To help out fellow enthusiast's?

Besides, this thread is no worse than most reproduction tag flags. Edit it you must, but leave the basic info.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: in case anyone is interested on: January 02, 2015, 09:03:50 PM
this a post from a auction appraiser. 
The six figure Z's are no more. $60k for a nice restored car is top of the market regardless of what people are asking
For the archives (because the ebay ad will disappear) Winning bid was $59,100

Clem, you think that was all the money for your old car then?

Interesting to see what the market says later this month in Scottsdale.
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Motor vin stamp vs. transmission vin stamp on: December 31, 2014, 01:09:50 PM
Ok 2 questions. First in Johns report, shouldn't it say Pilot bearing, instead of throwout bearing? (I thought the pilot bearing was the one fitted to the back of the block) throw out bearing I thought was mounted to the clutch fork right?

Second in your post I didn't see if they were stamped using the same stamp, or 2 different gang stamps. Looking closely at my trans and motor it appears to be a different stamp, but maybe it just looks different because it is deeper into the softer aluminum on my trans?

there's nothing wrong with how JohnZ stated it...  both the pilot bushing and throwout bearing would have to be installed prior to mounting the trans to the engine. 

Since the motors are already coded for transmission type, wouldn't the pilot bearing already be installed?
Perhaps that's why JohnZ didn't mention it.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro Z/28 Sequoia Green on: December 29, 2014, 12:41:55 AM
I sent him the link.  With a simple statement.   "It is your car".   I thought it was legit and was 100 percent wrong.   Lies will catch up with you.   I have been dealing with the same type of thing on two purchases also from Camaro guys that know there cars.   Caught one in a lie that was just dumb.   I have learned not to trust many of the authorities on these cars.

Keep in mind that it is believed to be an original Z/28 with original drivetrain. Some where along the way someone tried to improve the marketability and didn't know what they where doing. No need to assist them where they went wrong so they can improve their skills!
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1968 Camaro Z/28 Sequoia Green on: December 28, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
Kurt, I got a message back from the owner. Here is his reply.

  For once you don't know what you are talking about.... I have all the docs, owners, etc. until this car was new. It has never been decked. I have stamped hundreds of cars, but this one is original.  Why in the world would you think this pad had been decked?  

 I was just curious, as you must have some info from years past about this block? Pictures? I would love to send him a picture or some documentation. Scary, as a friend of mine was starting to look at this car kinda seriously. I have stopped him from purchasing about 6 fake cars. I love this sight, or is it site? It's late  Grin... Danny

The ebay seller, 9603mo, must be used to restamping big blocks then, because as Kurt mentioned the stamps are in the wrong order. That is how big blocks are stamped! I guess a little knowledge can be a bad thing.

This car was purchased by TC member TXSS for only $15,000 in March 2003. He was convinced the engine, although decked with no visible numbers, was the original MO 302 and all the casting numbers and dates he posted then are the same as the Ebay car.

Small Block:

Big block:

Ebay car:

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