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General Discussion / Re: Car built second week of January 1967 but POP sale date June 1968

« on: October 28, 2018, 01:29:12 PM »

It could be the SECOND owner POP? It would have been sent in the mail for the new owner or the dealership handling the warranty/transfer etc. to affix in the back of the book. They cut the original one out and trash it. It would have NO dynotab colored tape, just a metal plate. BOTH of my cars have second owner POP's. I guess it could be the 3rd 4th or whatever, if it sold that many times. But no tape means not original owner, I THINK. I am still learning. See picture of directions to do this change over. Look at me, thinking I know what I'm talking about    .. Danny

You have 2 second owner POP's? Can you post them for all to see?
I believe you can tell if it is 2nd or 3rd or 4th owner POP by the number under the bowtie.
Not sure I learned that on this site because there is very little information published in the POP section about second owner and Canadian POP's.
It may be known info and the CRG just hasn't expanded the information here yet.

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General Discussion / Re: Does this plate look legit, the numbers look crooked

« on: September 29, 2018, 11:41:18 AM »

There is a reason 1968 Camaro's are the best of the first generation and that is because no one fakes the trim tags and gets burned buying a fake car.
Nothing on that tag to tell you if it had any options besides the Island Teal paint and Houndstooth Black deluxe interior. Nice combo by the way.

The plates are stamped 2 times. I can't tell from your picture which stamping is crooked, or if it is the whole tag.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Caveat Emptor...big problems

« on: September 23, 2018, 12:23:38 PM »

Isn't that the same car as discussed in this thread?

https://www.camaros.net/forums/66-whats-worth/457121-1969-camaro-z28-lemans-blue-valuation.html

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: What color was it ?

« on: September 09, 2018, 06:52:28 PM »

Corvette Bronze with Black vinyl top.

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Originality / Re: Correct 68 RS lower belt trim hole placement

« on: September 03, 2018, 07:22:43 PM »

Template kits are available from all the major parts retailers.

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Garage Talk / Re: 81 camaro I saw

« on: August 25, 2018, 04:23:45 PM »

I remember the silver interiors. I like it. Looks great with black paint.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hello. I have a November 1969 Production Date Canadian Car info requested

« on: August 21, 2018, 02:08:37 PM »

I've never read a Marti report.  Have never done research on any cars until now.  Not even a Ford.  And now I know more about the history of the 69 Camaro than any Ford. Ever.  I absolutely love my cousins 2018 ZL1-1LE.  Rather her than the vette anyday.  Looks waaaay better imho.

Ok.  What do you think about:

There were only about 4,889 1969 X22's built.  ?

MA

Here is an example of a 1 of 1 Marti report.
All you had to do was order something odd like pastel blue with medium ginger and boom, 1 of 1.



X22, and all of the X codes are not RPO codes. No way to tell how many X anything where produced. That's not how X codes work.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hello. I have a November 1969 Production Date Canadian Car info requested

« on: August 21, 2018, 01:51:53 AM »

Seems like every sign or ad for a Ford or Mopar these days lists every option with the number produced. Who cares? Some options were rare because they were unpopular. Chevy produced very few L78 Camaros with the standard 3-speed transmission. Very rare but not desirable these days.

John De Lorean took over as Chevrolet's General Manager February 1969. Chevy was a mess and it was his job to get it back on track. One problem was far too many customer options and choices.

"Chevrolet cars soon had 15,000 parts, with a combination of body types, engine sizes, colors, axle ratios, and interior arrangements which was almost incalculable. We could build one million Chevrolets and not have two cars exactly alike."

So much for "one of one."

Exactly. I have seen many Marti reports on poster boards where they narrow it down with obscure options to one of one and exclaim, "And This Is That Car!"

This car the OP is discussing is pretty rare and very desirable, whether it is one of one or not.

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Restoration / Re: where does this spring go???

« on: August 11, 2018, 07:30:27 PM »

Seat spring?

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hello. I have a November 1969 Production Date Canadian Car info requested

« on: August 10, 2018, 01:00:02 PM »

All the Canadian cars got extra fuel and anti freeze, so not rare or valuable. Engine block heater is somewhat rare, but not valuable.

Orange on orange is pretty rare, but not everyone's taste. 50 years later on a special car, it probably adds value, but back then was pretty garish.

The rare and valuable options on this car are the drive train. L78/M22 with 4.10 posi. That along with RS, cowl hood, and a few more comfort options make it pretty rare. I know you are a Ford guy, and Ford guys use the Marti report to narrow down their cars to 1 of so many cars. Sometimes as low as one of one. This may be a one of one car, but so were many other cars back then when you could select from 100's of options.

It's a super nice car that has been restored some what incorrectly (minor stuff). It is also missing the engine pad codes and original transmission, otherwise it would be a six figure car.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hello. I have a November 1969 Production Date Canadian Car info requested

« on: August 07, 2018, 03:40:00 PM »

That is the document you get from VVS, so no need for you to spend any money if you are not buying the car.

Looks pretty cool so far, 396/375 and orange/orange is pretty rare.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hello. I have a November 1969 Production Date Canadian Car info requested

« on: August 07, 2018, 12:23:55 PM »

And the cliffhanger... Since you fellas are all in this with me.   The owner said he has a TON of documentation. DROOL. Haha. I can't wait. 

PS>GM Canada said talk to GM Heritage.  Not really the insight I want.

So you are a Ford guy, that's OK. Perhaps you don't know that GM in the USA did not keep the build records on these cars so there is no way to check with them on the authenticity. Because of that, many cars  are rebuilt with options added and fake paperwork created.

Canadian built and cars imported new and sold in Canada are a different story. GM Canada did save the information and it is available from Vintage Vehicle Services. You titled this thread as Canadian Car, but have not really specified what you mean by that. Is the car in Canada now? Was it originally sold new in Canada? There are plenty of old muscle cars imported into Canada, and those will not have records. Perhaps that is what you have here. Lets see what paperwork the owner has on the car.

Lastly, I applaud you for coming here to fact check the car before writing an article about it. So many times magazines print what ever the owner tells them in order to sell more magazines or web hits. There are also many old tales about these cars that get told and retold and embellished along the way. Looking forward to seeing more about this car. Maybe there is something special about it. Maybe not.

https://www.vintagevehicleservices.com/

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie. With a 1967 True RS/SS 396 convertible. I hope

« on: August 07, 2018, 01:50:55 AM »

Currently the previous owner offered me a full refund now he is not answering his calls. He gave me his lawyers number. I offered him a great deal no reply. He left a hand written rant in all the receipts I found. It is hard to read his writing it looks like he was drunk. This was pre paint and interior. It appears he tried to sell it on ebay back in 2011 or prior and perhaps before the New trim tag was put on.

It is very possible he has been following this thread and was expecting a call. Plenty of scammers read up here to hone their craft and never register or post. It certainly seems like full on fraud because he knew the body number on the trim tag was out there and he changed it in an attempt to avoid detection.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: What do you think of this stamp?

« on: August 06, 2018, 10:08:52 PM »

This entire thread has confused me...   WHY would there be discussion on the STAMP when it's obvious the broach marks are gone, that the block deck has been tampered with, re-machined, etc??  The STAMPING is fake, regardless of how correct the stamps themselves might look...

Sorry to confuse you. Perhaps you didn't read the entire first post?

The whole purpose was to discuss the stamps themselves and how they can be easily obtained. This stamp is used as an educational tool for insurance appraisers. It's fake on purpose.

Why would you even discuss broach marks when it is obvious the pad is of a completely different engine generation?

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General Discussion / Re: Newbie. With a 1967 True RS/SS 396 convertible. I hope

« on: August 06, 2018, 03:40:56 PM »

Look at the bid history. From $47,000 on up it looks like shadow bidding with 0 feedback bidders.

https://www.ebay.com/bfl/viewbids/112934747418?item=112934747418&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565