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826  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner on: July 31, 2011, 04:25:34 PM
Thanks again for all the information!  You guys are great and I am so fortunate to have found this forum.  68camaroz28 that is a truly awesome documentation of the restoration!  I loved the story with the original owner too.  I wish I even knew what all they did to mine.  I was going to e-mail the seller of the engine and parts a list of questions but I keep thinking of more, so I probably won't get it done until tomorrow.  From what I know about this guy I am only going to get one shot at this.  Mopar I live near Dayton, Ohio and the guy that has the engine and parts is near Columbus, Ohio.  If you know anyone near by that would be fantastic!!  This guy knows I don't know what I should and I'm afraid of being taken advantage of (hence the 12K and me not being sure I am getting everything I should), so I will definitely take your advice and once I get pictures post them here for all of your opinions.  Again, thanks to you all and any further advice, it is very much appreciated!

Thanks for the kind words on our restoration. What you can do is start to check to see what you have and that way you know what he may have. What rally wheels do you have (check code under trim ring)? Check everything on the engine like starter, alternator, intake, carb, distributor, exhaust manifolds, etc. This preliminary work will also assist with anyone trying to help you out. Then post the what you have found and this CRG gang will help you. Knowing as much as possible is important and worth the time spent now.....
827  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner on: July 30, 2011, 05:45:55 AM
Thanks again for the responses and the welcome.  In regards to the purchase, I felt like I got a raw deal because in the original accepted offer to purchase it was for the car (as it sat with the 350 engine) plus the original engine and parts, however, when I went to pick up everything, I was only allowed the car as it sat.   I was upset but it was still a steal so I went ahead and bought it.  That is one of the reasons I feel like I am getting it stuck to me now.  I too have wondered if this was designed from the get go.  I hope to e-mail him back tomorrow and try and ask every last question I can think of.  He has let me know that if I do not buy it that with his internet marketing skills he has no doubts he will get every cent of the 12K.  Where besides e-bay do you find these types of private sellers on the internet?  If I did fork over the cash do you think I might get my money out of it if I sold the car later?  Thanks to you all for your knowledge.  I am so green in this area any further comments I would greatly appreciate as well!!
Thanks again for the responses and the welcome.  In regards to the purchase, I felt like I got a raw deal because in the original accepted offer to purchase it was for the car (as it sat with the 350 engine) plus the original engine and parts, however, when I went to pick up everything, I was only allowed the car as it sat.   I was upset but it was still a steal so I went ahead and bought it.  That is one of the reasons I feel like I am getting it stuck to me now.  I too have wondered if this was designed from the get go.  I hope to e-mail him back tomorrow and try and ask every last question I can think of.  He has let me know that if I do not buy it that with his internet marketing skills he has no doubts he will get every cent of the 12K.  Where besides e-bay do you find these types of private sellers on the internet?  If I did fork over the cash do you think I might get my money out of it if I sold the car later?  Thanks to you all for your knowledge.  I am so green in this area any further comments I would greatly appreciate as well!!

OK, I own a 68 Z/28 and know enough to be dangerous. First off, he's feeding you a line of BS, as for the engine the person it would be worth the most is you Misse, the owner of the car. But hold on, what if the engine is not really the born with engine and is a re-stamp? If you know what to look for and are knowledgeable great but if not take a picture of the engine pad and post so experts can take a peak at that rascal.  Do you know what you have or not have discussing engine, i.e. distributor, alternator, starter, heads, intake and carb? Other words does the guy have the entire engine with many of the goodies, or just a shortblock?  Things like that orig. distributor can be worth a lot of money so you need to be careful that you get everything he had for that car or he will be selling goodies to others for more profit. Some info might be helpful here as it has a lot of part numbers and info on our restoration. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584
828  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Engine value to 1968 Z28 owner on: July 29, 2011, 11:47:27 AM
To the OP, let your morals guide you. If you need or want a Z block have them buy an acceptable replacement and trade straight up, if you don't then sell it to them at a fair market value. You never get anywhere for long by taking advantage of others. I don't believe you should give it to them but you shouldn't hold them hostage either it MIGHT speak to your character. What would someone gain by sticking it to somebody a few grand? What's your ethics worth, maybe some can put a price on that but not me. Just my two cents.

Misse, I am somewhat confused by the statement of "removed during restoration" I thought refinishing the original parts WAS a restoration. The engine block and the trans case are the only components that are VIN specific (I believe). The rims and other parts at date coded but not VINed. Obviously the guy with the parts is not ethical otherwise the parts would be at a reasonable price, now if he $12k worth of parts then I retract that statement, but a block, rim and some other parts don't add up for me. The other question may be why did he not return them with the car, true he could have made an agreement to keep them so they properly his. I guess I am just not a fan of hustling people. I would personally make him a reasonable offer for the block or the lot and move on if he passed. I doubt it would add 12k to the value of the car.

Misse, welcome to CRG first off! If you know who owned the car during restoration I would quickly discuss with him/her on what the arrangement was and if the person had any knowledge of the parts being kept off the car. Depending on what you find out I would discuss with law enforcement as it could be deemed the same as stealing, again depending on what you find out from the owner. Just makes no sense at all and something seems a little out of wack.....
829  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Anyone seen my old 1969 Camaro 124379L520439 in Orange County, CA? on: July 23, 2011, 08:41:53 AM
Looking for leads on my old car.  Last spotted in Laguna Niguel by my parents several months ago....



Should be an adjustment of "last spotted in Laguna Niguel by my parents" close to 5 years ago... Smiley
830  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Engine value to Z28 owner on: July 23, 2011, 07:55:43 AM
For sure it's worth more to the orig. owner than anyone else and that is where it becomes complicated. Car will be worth approximately 33% more but how important is that or worth to the current owner. I found the owner to our DZ short block that had been in our 83 purchased Corvette since 1979 and that mouse now resides with the camaro it left home with. Grin  Sold it to him at an extremely good price and it still took him over 4 months to make a decision. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=145097
831  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Z28 timing cover on: July 21, 2011, 07:20:27 AM
The '69 Z/28 timing covers I've seen are dated like "4 69" for April, 1969, not in a Julian format; don't know if or when that dating format started or stopped.

Yep, have a timing cover off a 67 model year HP 327 and its stamped "3 67" (March, 67). All the ones I have seen are month and year. Seemed many were stamped and many were not!?!?  But as Mark mentioned identifying the date code would be extremely difficult once on the car. Heck, I could not  see one even with the timing cover off the car until I sanded the area to remove paint. Sheet metal stamping is not deep in nature.
Here's the March 67 one we have.
832  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Super Chevy Show at Maple Grove PA on: July 20, 2011, 09:18:57 PM
Yea Eddie, that guy was quite a hoot!!!!!! It was nice that none of us jumped on him like he jumped on Lonny when he mentioned what REAL unit can sell for.  By the way, since I'm such a fair guy I will give ya not 39 but $40K for the car Grin  I know, plus what?Huh??

John, man would I like to buy some of them set ups now for that price......
833  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original rubber brake hoses on: July 20, 2011, 05:22:53 AM
Exactly the same hose as on my 69 RS/SS,  but mine is deteriorating and needs replacing.  Any input on where to get a completely correct hose would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

boston14



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-1968-CAMARO-FIREBIRD-DISC-BRAKE-HOSES-67-68-Z28-/130549831526?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e65605766#ht_2374wt_958

That set is for what I would need (67/68) but there is one huge draw back in that you have the red lettering correct but the ends are wrong. A friend pointed that out to me recently.
834  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Super Chevy Show at Maple Grove PA on: July 19, 2011, 06:04:56 AM
Eddie is correct in that there were some very nice machines there representing many different GM makes and flavors.  Eddie's car is, well just awesome looking and the color combo stops you right away. Great car Eddie and thanks for the compliment but the pleasure extends both ways as we both enjoyed each others company. And don't you be bashful Grin Eddie's car won another Gold Class Award and Best Interior, Best Motor, and Best Paint.. Congratulations Eddie!!!!!!
835  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original rubber brake hoses on: July 18, 2011, 05:56:04 PM
A friend in Canada confirms he has the same thing on his 69 Z/28. Just never heard of this before. Who has the most correct hoses?
836  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Original rubber brake hoses on: July 17, 2011, 08:08:34 PM
Saw some NOS flexible rubber brake lines advertised for a Chevelle that had the SAE info in red with long red dashes 180 degrees from the red SAE info. I trashed the front disc brake hoses on our 68 z/28 but had the rear one. After a little cleaning the red SAE information and dashes were very prevalent. I do not recall reading about this before and was wondering what information might be available. Here are pics of our orig. rear brake hose. Is this new info to anyone else or was it just me again Grin


837  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 302 Oil Dip Stick Tip Color on: July 17, 2011, 07:26:45 PM
Does any one know the correct color for the 67 Z dip stick? 
Thanks,
Gary

Not sure if 67 is the same as a 68 but they used a gray tip if I remember correctly.
838  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 cowl air cleaner on: July 17, 2011, 08:40:33 AM
Our Oct.69 built SS350 has the flat bottom.

Not sure it matters however is your car an Auto.


Yep, turbo 400!
839  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 cowl air cleaner on: July 16, 2011, 05:35:17 AM
Our Oct.69 built SS350 has the flat bottom.
840  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Finding a body shop on: July 10, 2011, 07:12:40 PM
Having spent 14 years in the parts business I had many occasions to make the body shop/new customer connection. Both were our customer. I stopped doing it because both end up pissed off.

Body Shop: keeps adding work but holds me to the estimate, car is worse than we thought, constantly here nit-picking, parts missing/late, keeps bugging me to finish it. Owes me money.

Customer: Taking longer than agreed on, costing more than agreed on, not the level of quality I expected. Doesn't return calls, why is my car outside???

Valid issues on both sides. Try to avoid them.

First and most common mistake is taking a car to a production body shop. Most are slow at this time of the year so they will agree to anything. If the shop hasn't done restoration work in the past they don't realize how putsy it can be. They take all sorts of ugly shortcuts; lap-weld floor pans, splice panels to avoid drilling out spotwelds. The instant they get some insurance work in your car sits. Sometimes parts are removed and later cannot be found.

Find a shop that has done resto work and talk to some former customers.

All shops have an "undisclosed damage" clause that you need to understand. No one has X-ray vision and all sorts of problems can show up when the quarters are removed or 3 coats of paint are stipped off. If you want it made right costs and time will increase.

Help yourself out-do as much of the grunt work as possible. Don't drop the car off with a full interior and expect them to remove/store it for you.

Don't expect any shop to finance your restoration. Space is always a factor and they schedule to maximize usage. Having a deposit is one way to ensure your car will be there on time. They have all had guys "change their mind" and go somewhere else. The instant it arrives the clock starts. The shop wakes up every morning and starts eating money.

Asking for money up front is also a character test for you. $1000 is peanuts in the hobby and you're already flunking. There won't be an insurance check and they don't know you. A small risk to get the relationship off on the right foot.

Good Luck!   

William you hit several key points! I was lucky in that I knew the owner of our local restoraion shop for over 25 years so there was nothing to check but I have seen first hand several cars that have arrived at his establishment that first landed at a body shop and it failed for one or several of the reasons you listed. Not getting done (just sitting) and the quality are the two biggest complaints. In the past year I saw two cars that were both at two body shops before they finally came to my friends shop and these are NOT local cars. There are many excellent body shops but their first order of business is insurance repair and that takes priority. And could not agree with you more about taking the easy road time wise to fix something rather than doing it like a normal restoration shop. Jim, its tough finding a place and a lot of work can go into finding a good place. Since this is a one time replacement I'd consider taking it where you know the work will be done correctly. Last year one of the cars at my friends shop was from CA. See you have a 68 Z/28 so welcome aboard both to the forum and having a 68Z. Need to update the thread but here is our's.
 http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584
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