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706  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: bell housing date codes on: March 07, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
I do not remember seeing letters on any trans I have looked at but probably have not looked at any past 69 model year.
Not sure why that part of the info is so incorrect but.........
Thought I might add the '8' on our bell housing according to JohnZ is a mold # and not model year related as I assumed at one time.
707  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: bell housing date codes on: March 07, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Here is an explanation that comes in handy with our 68 pic examples John.
"The code consists of two circles, both 1/2 inch in diameter and divided in half. One circle is called the date marker, the other the status marker. The date marker has a month designator for when the part was cast or manufactured. This is represented by the numbers 1 through 12 (Jan-Dec) in the years 1963-1966. They were marked with letters as shown in the table below from then on. The opposite side of the date marker has between 1 and 5 dots representing the week of the month. The easiest way to discern the proper date mark circle is to look for the week designator spots. Always check to see that the date marked precedes the final assembly stamp code. The status marker has the latest blueprint change number on one side of the circle and a deviation notice letter on the other side if the part change letter is active." This information was only useful to the Muncie plant by allowing the tracking of problem parts. This circle is usually blank." Our 67 & 68 M21's still have #'s for the month......
Here is where the above info resides- http://members.tripod.com/camaro_obsession/muncie.htm
And a picture of our bell housing and our trans tail housing casting date.
403 cast dates a little funky but believe to be 3rd week of Oct. as it has 3 defined tits/bumps.
Tailhousing is 1st week in December. By the way, trans was built 12/29/67. Notice the other circle (status marker).
Excuse the grime as pics were taken for documenting and before cleaning/restoration. Smiley



708  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Dash Pad Restoration on: March 07, 2012, 07:18:28 PM
I'd rather have my curling original pad than any of the repros I've seen....  Sad

Chick:  Maybe *restore* isn't the right word.   What I would like to do is *maintain* the original pad and stop it from collecting dust under the curling edge and help it to look as good as possible..  Smiley   How do the original unrestored judges look at such actions?  Is 'gluing the pad back to the plastic considered 'restoring or maintaining??

Gary

Gary
OK, got it! No expert here but would think doing what you are considering would do nothing to harm your intentions concerning judging. Might want to carefully review different glues and possibly some trial runs with donor materials as your probably only going to have one good chance. I have had good luck with one of the liquid nails glue that works on glass, cloth, plastic, etc., and one iron clad adhesive from Loctite named "power grab." That stuff is something else as you can glue trim or even stone on a wall. Just a couple thoughts.....
709  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Hood Hinge Color on: March 06, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Chick I've personally never used Fluid Film but heard good stuff about it thru the grape vine at a show last year.
OK and thanks Daniel....
By the way, just noticed the rust prevention magic won an award at this past years SEMA. Give it a try or at least check it out.
"ECS Automotive Concepts LLC is proud to announce that Rust Prevention Magic won the prestigious 2011 SEMA Global Media Award. RPM was selected by a panel of international media judges as one of the best new products at this year's SEMA show."
710  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Hood Hinge Color on: March 06, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
I forgot to mention the oil I use is called Dri-Touch and is sold by Birchwood Casey. It goes on wet and dries to touch in a couple of days. This is good so it doesn't become a dust magnet by staying wet.

Mike
I will have to check that out Mike! Used the Birchwood Casey products (bluing) and they seem pretty good.
Does anybody use Fluid Film?
Never tried that Daniel. You use or know about it?
What I'm really liking so far and have used it a lot is 'Rust Prevention Magic'.
Super easy to use and have coated bare castings and no rust to date but time will tell.
http://ecsautomotive.com/rpm.php
711  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Dash Pad Restoration on: March 06, 2012, 06:04:31 PM
Rather than start a new thread, I'm going to tack onto this one as the subject is perfect for my question:  'Dash Pad REstoration'.   I do not want to *replace* my original dash pad with a reproduction one.   I want to 'restore' my original dash pad. 
Question 1:    Is the dash pad difficult to remove without damaging it?  I've never taken apart a camaro, so I'm a novice re knowing Camaro details, and I do not want to damage the pad.  My pad is near perfect in appearance except for the front edge of it being 'raised up', or separated? from whatever the backing is.  A step by step for how to remove the dash pad would be appreciated, as well as where the retainers are...?

Question 2:  Can the issue with my dash pad (raised up front edge) be repaired once it is removed?   Any suggestions?

OR should I just leave well enough alone?   I'm trying to clean and maintain my original car for possible judging in the original unrestored category;

Gary  / 69Z28-RS

Gary, if you wish to have your car judged in the "original unrestored category" why are you considering pulling your dash to restore? Most of the previous discussion on this thread had to do with restoring a 68 pad. The 69 pads are a whole new animal and not sure what restoration services are available for them as it was limited. Depending on what you have, it might be wise to err in doing nothing at least for now.
Good luck,
712  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Z/28 spare and jack equipment on: March 06, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
Thought it appropriate to come back in here to provide an update.

Talked to my long distance software buddy tonight.  He has been struggling with the trunk diagrams.  He feels a lot of the details on the decal pictures I sent have faded which has presented some problems.  I have taken anmother long look at them and have come to the following conclusions:

- The lines for the trunk opening lip, trunk floor lines, trunk latch and everything to do with the spare tire are in fact less "pronounced" than things like the jack stand, wing nut, screwdriver (for the one dated 66), lug wrench and jack stand. May seem odd, but that is the way it appears.
- Such is not the case with the jack location diagram which seems to have everything darker and more pronounced.

Do you guys understand what I'm trying to say?

Yes, and I agree 100%. Some of those similar lines on the NOS conv. one I have are exactly like that and were done that way deliberately I'm sure. If every line would have been bold or the same it would have been way too busy of a sticker.
Can't wait to obtain one for our restoration,
Thanks for the update Don,
Chick
713  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Judges: Question on SS stripe w/base coat clear coat on: March 03, 2012, 12:41:48 PM
Unfortuantely, lacquer paint jobs of 43 years ago are not what you will find in lacquer today. And repairing lacquer might be a huge issue down the road if you cannot obtain the paint? Agree Lacquer has advantages like anything, but it also has many disadvantages. On our 68Z in-process restoration we used base coat/clear coat (butternut yellow) but when the stripes are applied they wiill not be clear coated.
714  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Concerns With Decking The Block Question I Need Your Help on: March 03, 2012, 12:06:01 PM
Hi mrbass,
Well you read the responses so no use me stating the same ol' but I just wanted to Welcome you aboard.
Good luck and let us know how you make out,
Chick
715  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 RPO on: March 03, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
Rich or Kurt,

In the CRG, RPO, PDF under Z23 it states " see the Z23/Z87 table for more info" where is that?  I'm trying to figure out if just the bright pedal trim was available as an option or if it came with some other option.  I have the standard interior and I have the pedal trim (was probably added).  Is there anything that might tell me if it was added?  I also have the belt trim, but I think that was added too and I read somewhere that if it had the belt moldings you should have a different kind of fuzzy on the window.  I'm really looking for clues that could tell me if these things were added on or not, if possble.  Any info on what would point to some of this being original or added would be greatly appreciated.
I could be wrong but believe another key element is the trim around the dash pad that was part of that RPO or at least what I thought. Does your pad have bright trim?
716  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: gm 3953218 pitman arm on: March 01, 2012, 12:18:35 PM
Power steer....And one to check out
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1968-1969-CAMARO-POWER-STEERING-PITMAN-ARM-/280709745060?item=280709745060&vxp=mtr
717  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: cowel installation shimming on: February 29, 2012, 02:33:25 AM
Do you use the same body shims to shim the cowel as the fenders and rest of the body?   Thanks, Scoop
Yes, same shims that I'm aware of (same on our car) and they were phosphated.
718  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: suade paint on rear window trim on: February 29, 2012, 01:32:28 AM
Scoop, I just recently cleaned the two inside corner pcs. (same as whats shown in post #4) and they were just painted black on our 68 01B Camaro.
719  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Fasteners and headmarkings on: February 27, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Marty, just a thought, that's all. We all know there are a lot of head markings but it might make life easier if we note headmarkings on specialized screws/bolts. Good examples are what George just reported on, i.e. "wheel studs" etc.. I remember the triangle on the end of some of our studs but will have to check them out. Some head markings will be spread among several types/sizes of screws/bolts but some of these special ones are just that, special.
Thoughts?   Grin
720  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Fasteners and headmarkings on: February 27, 2012, 09:49:44 PM
Marty, just a thought, that's all. We all know there are a lot of head markings but it might make life easier if we note headmarkings on specialized screws/bolts. Good examples are what George just reported on, i.e. "wheel studs" etc.. I remember the triangle on the end of some of our studs but will have to check them out. Some head markings will be spread among several types/sizes of screws/bolts but some of these special ones are just that, special.
Thoughts?   Grin
 
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