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706  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Z/28 spare and jack equipment on: March 06, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
Thought it appropriate to come back in here to provide an update.

Talked to my long distance software buddy tonight.  He has been struggling with the trunk diagrams.  He feels a lot of the details on the decal pictures I sent have faded which has presented some problems.  I have taken anmother long look at them and have come to the following conclusions:

- The lines for the trunk opening lip, trunk floor lines, trunk latch and everything to do with the spare tire are in fact less "pronounced" than things like the jack stand, wing nut, screwdriver (for the one dated 66), lug wrench and jack stand. May seem odd, but that is the way it appears.
- Such is not the case with the jack location diagram which seems to have everything darker and more pronounced.

Do you guys understand what I'm trying to say?

Yes, and I agree 100%. Some of those similar lines on the NOS conv. one I have are exactly like that and were done that way deliberately I'm sure. If every line would have been bold or the same it would have been way too busy of a sticker.
Can't wait to obtain one for our restoration,
Thanks for the update Don,
Chick
707  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Judges: Question on SS stripe w/base coat clear coat on: March 03, 2012, 12:41:48 PM
Unfortuantely, lacquer paint jobs of 43 years ago are not what you will find in lacquer today. And repairing lacquer might be a huge issue down the road if you cannot obtain the paint? Agree Lacquer has advantages like anything, but it also has many disadvantages. On our 68Z in-process restoration we used base coat/clear coat (butternut yellow) but when the stripes are applied they wiill not be clear coated.
708  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Concerns With Decking The Block Question I Need Your Help on: March 03, 2012, 12:06:01 PM
Hi mrbass,
Well you read the responses so no use me stating the same ol' but I just wanted to Welcome you aboard.
Good luck and let us know how you make out,
Chick
709  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 RPO on: March 03, 2012, 12:05:35 AM
Rich or Kurt,

In the CRG, RPO, PDF under Z23 it states " see the Z23/Z87 table for more info" where is that?  I'm trying to figure out if just the bright pedal trim was available as an option or if it came with some other option.  I have the standard interior and I have the pedal trim (was probably added).  Is there anything that might tell me if it was added?  I also have the belt trim, but I think that was added too and I read somewhere that if it had the belt moldings you should have a different kind of fuzzy on the window.  I'm really looking for clues that could tell me if these things were added on or not, if possble.  Any info on what would point to some of this being original or added would be greatly appreciated.
I could be wrong but believe another key element is the trim around the dash pad that was part of that RPO or at least what I thought. Does your pad have bright trim?
710  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: gm 3953218 pitman arm on: March 01, 2012, 12:18:35 PM
Power steer....And one to check out
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-1968-1969-CAMARO-POWER-STEERING-PITMAN-ARM-/280709745060?item=280709745060&vxp=mtr
711  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: cowel installation shimming on: February 29, 2012, 02:33:25 AM
Do you use the same body shims to shim the cowel as the fenders and rest of the body?   Thanks, Scoop
Yes, same shims that I'm aware of (same on our car) and they were phosphated.
712  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: suade paint on rear window trim on: February 29, 2012, 01:32:28 AM
Scoop, I just recently cleaned the two inside corner pcs. (same as whats shown in post #4) and they were just painted black on our 68 01B Camaro.
713  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Fasteners and headmarkings on: February 27, 2012, 09:52:06 PM
Marty, just a thought, that's all. We all know there are a lot of head markings but it might make life easier if we note headmarkings on specialized screws/bolts. Good examples are what George just reported on, i.e. "wheel studs" etc.. I remember the triangle on the end of some of our studs but will have to check them out. Some head markings will be spread among several types/sizes of screws/bolts but some of these special ones are just that, special.
Thoughts?   Grin
714  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Fasteners and headmarkings on: February 27, 2012, 09:49:44 PM
Marty, just a thought, that's all. We all know there are a lot of head markings but it might make life easier if we note headmarkings on specialized screws/bolts. Good examples are what George just reported on, i.e. "wheel studs" etc.. I remember the triangle on the end of some of our studs but will have to check them out. Some head markings will be spread among several types/sizes of screws/bolts but some of these special ones are just that, special.
Thoughts?   Grin
 
715  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why do 68 z28s bring less than 69s even though 68s are much more rare? on: February 27, 2012, 01:03:02 AM
As a owner of a 68 Le Mans Blue Z i find very it interesting myself. The prices are getting higher and i believe they will continue that trend.  A real 68 car is less available, harder to document, fewer to love ?  As for 69 cars more of them available than they ever made, so plenty to love? Only time will tell as new collectors look at the facts. As for now the styling of first gen. Z cars is forever lost in the 60's. For now that is for sure.
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67 Van RS/SS L35 Royle Plum 4 speed std. interior with gauges
68 Nor Le Mans Blue Z/28 Houndtooth w/headrests
Welcome aboard yankeechaser! And please consider adding your car to our team camaro list.... Bunch of members from here and there that have 68Z's.
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182224&page=11
716  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why do 68 z28s bring less than 69s even though 68s are much more rare? on: February 27, 2012, 12:59:50 AM
The essence of the hobby is having the car you always wanted and enjoying it. Sounds like you're there.



Yep she's a 1968 LeMans Blue Z28
Have you signed your 68 Z up on Team Camaro? We got a bunch of 68Z owners! http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182224&page=11
As a owner of a 68 Le Mans Blue Z i find very it interesting myself. The prices are getting higher and i believe they will continue that trend.  A real 68 car is less available, harder to document, fewer to love ?  As for 69 cars more of them available than they ever made, so plenty to love? Only time will tell as new collectors look at the facts. As for now the styling of first gen. Z cars is forever lost in the 60's. For now that is for sure.

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67 Van RS/SS L35 Royle Plum 4 speed std. interior with gauges
68 Nor Le Mans Blue Z/28 Houndtooth w/headrests
717  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Brake Line Brackets - Subframe and Rear Axle - Correct Finish? on: February 26, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
Excellent info George! I have found some of those orig. dipped paint (runs) are really adhered so as JohnZ has mentioned, it was a pretty good paint...... Grin
Liked the stamping as well! Our's is a different design bracket and just has a 'D' stamped between the two mount holes on the outward side.
Again, good info to know for resto work......
718  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why do 68 z28s bring less than 69s even though 68s are much more rare? on: February 26, 2012, 06:38:17 PM
Well we love our 68Z and are spending loads of time and effort to restore it back to a high level but 69's are one great looking year Camaro and just more popular. Same is true for a 67 C2 Corvette compared to 63-66 C2's. All C2's are great (63-67) but the 67 overall is just flat out more desirable.
719  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Documenting 68 Camaro Fasteners & Hardware on: February 26, 2012, 02:42:09 PM
Not completed yet but this is what I'm working on. More involved than first thought Smiley
Yep, agree on the #5 screw head... Make sense Phillip? Questions anyone? Its a start I hope if we can get some others involved!?!?

FIRST GENERATION CAMARO FASTENERS-68/69 AIM Fastener Part #'s  Note: 68 assumed and 69 noted
174916-Toothed Lock Washer w/9420415 screw , 69 AIM pages-28, 155, 156, 161, 182, 439, 440, 441, 460  AMK B-11314.
0187875-P155
0447143- P162 (69 AIM UPC 1 A5) Hex screw 8-18X1/4 .34" O.D. AMK- B-11070 (20pcs)
3758783-P149 Battery hold down clamp bolt- AMK has no reference by GM part#
3824124-P36 Zinc/Wiper Motor 10-24X1.0 .33 external AMK B-12298 (6)
3831892-P178 3/8-16X1 1/8 9/16AF 1.0 Conical "f'" head AMK B-11718 (2)
3839741-P135 & 142 3/8-16X1 3/8  1.31 Conical AMK B-11964 (4) Head Marking circled E?
3846201-Pages 147 & 206 (69 AIM) 5/16-18X5/8 .75 Conical AMK B-12545 (5) Support bar to radiator support. Note: 2 orig. 69's had same bolt in both ends of support bar as AMK
3846202-Pages 61, 63, 73, & 144/5  5/16-18X7/8 .75 Conical AMK 'E', B-13317 (6) & B-10876 (12) & 'C' type B-11709 (6) & B-11710 (12) Note: Both head marks acceptable.
3847757-P141
3847758-P143
3849634-P153
3853846-P155 Zinc/horns- 5/16-18X7/8 .75 toothed  AMK Anchor head-marked screw B-10900 (2)
3856065-P141
3857663-P135 3/8-16X1 3/8 1.0 Conical AMK B-11387 (4
3858195-P186 8-18X3/8 1/4AF .34 O.D. AMK B-12049 (20)
3858700-P229
3873951-P166 10-16X5/8 1/4AF .42 O.D. Top hat style AMK B-11088 (Cool
3873999-P188
3899538- P141 5/16-18X7/8 1.5 Conical AMK B-11600 (2) & B-11601 (6)
3903536-P145
3909140-P179 3/8-16X1 1/8 9/16AF 1.12 Conical AMK B-11719 (2)
3933052-P36 Zinc/Wiper Arm Pivots 10-24X1/2 .33 external AMK B-10884 (4)
3958062/9420825- 5/16-18X9/16 1/2AF .66 O.D. Brake & Fuel Line Clip  AMK-Anchor B-10416 (4)
3963329- 3/8-16X1 1/2 1.12 Conical AMK B-11720 (2)
3986563- 3/8-16X1 1/4 1.31 Conical AMK B-11964 (4)
9409107-P171 1/4-20X5/8 7/16AF .44 split AMK B-12303 (4)
9414252-10-16X5/8 .36 O.D. AMK B-12220 (10)
9414724-P172 8-18X3/4 .27 O.D. Chrome/AMK B-12145 (12) B-11126 (50) Note: Same screw in multiple finishes
9414763-10-16X5/8 .31 OD AMK B11135 (10)
9414764-10-16X3/4 .31 O.D. AMK B-11136 (Cool
9414766-10-16X1.0 .31 O.D. AMK B-12225 (6)
9414767-10-16-X1 1/4 .31 O.D. AMK B-12227 (6)
9415464-P161 8-18X1/2 1/4AF .34 O.D. AMK B-13419 (12) B-13750 (40)
9416822-10-16X1 1/4 .36 O.D. AMK B-12228 (6)
9417318-10-12X1 1/2 .36 O.D. AMK B-12229 (4)
9417706-P186
9418359-P262 8-18-1/2 .31 O.D. AMK B-12153 (15)
9419301-Hood Hinge to Hood but not Hood Hinge to Fender- 3/8-16X13/16 1" Conical AMK B-10835 (4)
9419303-P187
9419329-P167 10-16X5/8 .37 O.D. AMK B-11530 (10)
9419328-P163 10-16X1/2 .37 O.D. AMK B-12192 (10)
9419663-P163 8-18X1/2 1/4AF .34 O.D. AMK B-13419 (12) B-13750 (40) Note: AMK also has Stainless & zinc dichromate Same screw as 9415464 & 9426269
9419778-P229
9420415-69 AIM pages-28, 155, 156, 161, 178, 182, 439, 440, 441, 460  1/4-14X3/8 3/8AF .5 O.D. AMK B-11097 (Cool B-11099 (25) Orig. head markings 'D'
9420431-P156
9420686-P229
9420825/3958062- 5/16-18X9/16 1/2AF .66 O.D. Brake & Fuel Line Clip  AMK-Anchor B-10416 (4)
9420941-Battery Tray- 5/16-18X5/8 1.12 Conical AMKI B-13716 (2)
9421137-P229 8-18x1/2 .31 O.D. AMK B-11144 (10)
9421851-P167 10-16X5/8 .44 Flat Washer AMK B-12231 (6)
9421934-P231
9422455-P230
9423258-P161 10-16x3/4 .31 O.D. AMK B-11137 (10) Note: 9425622 same screw
9423351-10-16X7/8 .31 O.D. AMK B-11138 (Cool
9424858-P188
9425486-P170
9425578-P169
9425622-10-16x3/4 .31 O.D. AMK B-11137 (10) Note: 9423258 same screw
9425812-10-16X1 .36 O.D. AMK B-12226 (4)
4926269- see 9419663- 8-18X1/2 1/4AF .34 O.D. AMK B-13419 (12) B-13750 (40) Note: AMK also has Stainless & zinc dichromate
9426539-10-16X3.0 .31 O.D. AMK B-11139 Note: Used for 67 Camaro vent window
9428499-P229
9431963-Zinc/Ign.Coil Bracket- 5/16-18X5/8 5/8 external AMK 'RBW' B-13232 (4)
9432395-Trunk Latch/striker 1/4-20X5/8 .75 toothed AMK B-10891
9780422-Pages 137, 141-145, 149, 153 5/16-18X3/4 .67OD AMK 'anchor' B-13306 (12) B-13307 (50) Heavy use-fender, header, valance, batt. tray, hood catch, etc..
9824833-Std. Arm-rest Base Screws 1/4-14X1 1/2 .45 OD AMK B-11163 (6)
9919303-P138
Deluxe/Cutom Door Pull Straps 68/69 Camaro 1/4-14X1 7/16 .37 O.D. AMK B-11161 (4)
Tailamp Housing Screw 67/68 Camaro 8-18X1/2 1/4AF .34 O.D.
Seat Back Panel Screws 67-69 Camaro 8-18X3/4 .5 Flat washer AMK B-11222 (4)
GM License Plate Screws- AMK B-11179 (Cool
GM Wheel Opening Trim Screws- 8-18X7/16 AMK B-11532 (10) & B-10064 (32)
720  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Painting 12 bolt Differential detail Questions on: February 26, 2012, 02:29:15 PM
George, thanks for the kind words. Here is the stamping on our adjusters. Assume it is '332'!
http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584&page=27
IMHO, a cleaner look is non-painted hardware and since you have the backing plates painted and the rear powdercoated that may make more sense. For me, it was an original look so everything was painted but to control the overspray on the emerg. cables they were painted at the same time but not installed so we could control the amount of overspray and fade out.
Now as far as holding up if you decided not to paint make sure you protect that hardware or after a few years it will show its age. So far I'm liking that "rust prevention magic!"
And what you have completed looks extremely nice. Nice work and good on ya!!!!!!!
P.S. See my other post concerning your rear brake bracket update.
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