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676  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Cowl Grill Seal on: March 17, 2012, 08:01:25 PM
Agree with Charlie & Scott! A year ago or so I carefully looked and compared two originals I have (off our 68 & 69) to a new one prior to ordering more and they sure seem to me to be the same design/material. And as one would imagine the new ones can be compressed much easier then our two older ones. Not sure what others might be comparing to but the cowl seal if compared to a door, roofrail, or trunk seal will seem much harder as it was (more dense). Thought maybe I was missing something as I do that sometimes  Grin, so I went out and compared again. I can pinch the new one so the hole in the middle is closed but not the old one and again the design seems to be dead nuts. Have no fear Marty and purchase that GM correct service replacement...........

677  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Firewall Pad on: March 15, 2012, 08:29:46 PM
It would have to be dead on. Its a lot of work to change out.

True but for people doing restorations it is a must know. I just finished rework on a NOS one so I could post pics of what they looked like in 1979 (when this service replacement was purchased).
678  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New reproduction 1967 door lock knobs on: March 14, 2012, 05:22:04 AM
Thanks Jon! Good info to know.......
Gotta love those made in labels Grin
679  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Has anyone used this Trunk Spatter paint? on: March 13, 2012, 06:22:14 AM
Purchased ours Mike from JerryM and believe it was around $60 qt.. He said it was the closest to the original you could purchase and believe if memory serves me Larry Christensen was the person who worked on getting it made up. Know one thing for sure, whatever you purchase, don't shake it or you will screw up all those little paint balls in there Grin
680  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Firewall Pad on: March 13, 2012, 06:00:57 AM
Not sure how bad your original is in but is there any chance to salvage? The NOS one we have was purchased in 79 and from storage in the attic for 10 years or so and moving 3 or 4 times it dried out and literally started to fall apart in some areas, hence my reason for starting to check on possibly purchasing a molded one but decided to give the original a shot for repair. I think it came out pretty good. Liquid Nails has one clue that is good for just about anything including cloth and rubber so did some repairs with that and the perforated nylon drywall tape and then top coated the repairs with (believe it is a new product) Rustoleum Rubber coating. I will check with Lonny at East Coast Muscle Cars to see what he knows about the molded pads or how correct they appear.......
Would think someone on here has purchased one Grin
681  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Firewall Pad on: March 12, 2012, 07:35:07 PM
Not sure as I have a NOS one from 1979 to place in our restoration but I did check prices and do some homework. Seems they are back ordered and Ricks was $30 cheaper even though I assume they all have the same supplier for this molded firewall pad. I've seen the non-molded pad and that one was a pretty bad choice. A restorer told me the molded pad was a fairly good one but again not sure to quality.
Good luck,
682  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: NOS weatherstrip question on: March 08, 2012, 10:57:07 PM
I know the original assembly line weatherstrip has the white string in it and the later version has the hard plastic piece.When the later version is installed can you tell the difference without looking at the end of it??Also has anyone had success cutting the hard plastic piece out of it???Thanks.
My assistance on this is what I have been told and observed so hopefully others will kick in with more informed info. I have the weatherstrip you are referring to and believe from looking at it once installed one would not know difference. I have been told that yes, that hard core is sometimes trimmed to assist with the trunk lid fitting down easier but was also told yea it can be trimmed but its not a piece of cake.
683  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Z/28 spare and jack equipment on: March 08, 2012, 10:51:13 PM
I purchased decals from Don and the quality is excellent and even more important, they are correct.
And he's one of the 'good guys'...................
684  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: bell housing date codes on: March 07, 2012, 10:28:03 PM
I do not remember seeing letters on any trans I have looked at but probably have not looked at any past 69 model year.
Not sure why that part of the info is so incorrect but.........
Thought I might add the '8' on our bell housing according to JohnZ is a mold # and not model year related as I assumed at one time.
685  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: bell housing date codes on: March 07, 2012, 09:53:27 PM
Here is an explanation that comes in handy with our 68 pic examples John.
"The code consists of two circles, both 1/2 inch in diameter and divided in half. One circle is called the date marker, the other the status marker. The date marker has a month designator for when the part was cast or manufactured. This is represented by the numbers 1 through 12 (Jan-Dec) in the years 1963-1966. They were marked with letters as shown in the table below from then on. The opposite side of the date marker has between 1 and 5 dots representing the week of the month. The easiest way to discern the proper date mark circle is to look for the week designator spots. Always check to see that the date marked precedes the final assembly stamp code. The status marker has the latest blueprint change number on one side of the circle and a deviation notice letter on the other side if the part change letter is active." This information was only useful to the Muncie plant by allowing the tracking of problem parts. This circle is usually blank." Our 67 & 68 M21's still have #'s for the month......
Here is where the above info resides-
And a picture of our bell housing and our trans tail housing casting date.
403 cast dates a little funky but believe to be 3rd week of Oct. as it has 3 defined tits/bumps.
Tailhousing is 1st week in December. By the way, trans was built 12/29/67. Notice the other circle (status marker).
Excuse the grime as pics were taken for documenting and before cleaning/restoration. Smiley

686  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Dash Pad Restoration on: March 07, 2012, 07:18:28 PM
I'd rather have my curling original pad than any of the repros I've seen....  Sad

Chick:  Maybe *restore* isn't the right word.   What I would like to do is *maintain* the original pad and stop it from collecting dust under the curling edge and help it to look as good as possible..  Smiley   How do the original unrestored judges look at such actions?  Is 'gluing the pad back to the plastic considered 'restoring or maintaining??


OK, got it! No expert here but would think doing what you are considering would do nothing to harm your intentions concerning judging. Might want to carefully review different glues and possibly some trial runs with donor materials as your probably only going to have one good chance. I have had good luck with one of the liquid nails glue that works on glass, cloth, plastic, etc., and one iron clad adhesive from Loctite named "power grab." That stuff is something else as you can glue trim or even stone on a wall. Just a couple thoughts.....
687  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Hood Hinge Color on: March 06, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Chick I've personally never used Fluid Film but heard good stuff about it thru the grape vine at a show last year.
OK and thanks Daniel....
By the way, just noticed the rust prevention magic won an award at this past years SEMA. Give it a try or at least check it out.
"ECS Automotive Concepts LLC is proud to announce that Rust Prevention Magic won the prestigious 2011 SEMA Global Media Award. RPM was selected by a panel of international media judges as one of the best new products at this year's SEMA show."
688  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Hood Hinge Color on: March 06, 2012, 07:32:05 PM
I forgot to mention the oil I use is called Dri-Touch and is sold by Birchwood Casey. It goes on wet and dries to touch in a couple of days. This is good so it doesn't become a dust magnet by staying wet.

I will have to check that out Mike! Used the Birchwood Casey products (bluing) and they seem pretty good.
Does anybody use Fluid Film?
Never tried that Daniel. You use or know about it?
What I'm really liking so far and have used it a lot is 'Rust Prevention Magic'.
Super easy to use and have coated bare castings and no rust to date but time will tell.
689  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Dash Pad Restoration on: March 06, 2012, 06:04:31 PM
Rather than start a new thread, I'm going to tack onto this one as the subject is perfect for my question:  'Dash Pad REstoration'.   I do not want to *replace* my original dash pad with a reproduction one.   I want to 'restore' my original dash pad. 
Question 1:    Is the dash pad difficult to remove without damaging it?  I've never taken apart a camaro, so I'm a novice re knowing Camaro details, and I do not want to damage the pad.  My pad is near perfect in appearance except for the front edge of it being 'raised up', or separated? from whatever the backing is.  A step by step for how to remove the dash pad would be appreciated, as well as where the retainers are...?

Question 2:  Can the issue with my dash pad (raised up front edge) be repaired once it is removed?   Any suggestions?

OR should I just leave well enough alone?   I'm trying to clean and maintain my original car for possible judging in the original unrestored category;

Gary  / 69Z28-RS

Gary, if you wish to have your car judged in the "original unrestored category" why are you considering pulling your dash to restore? Most of the previous discussion on this thread had to do with restoring a 68 pad. The 69 pads are a whole new animal and not sure what restoration services are available for them as it was limited. Depending on what you have, it might be wise to err in doing nothing at least for now.
Good luck,
690  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Z/28 spare and jack equipment on: March 06, 2012, 12:19:50 AM
Thought it appropriate to come back in here to provide an update.

Talked to my long distance software buddy tonight.  He has been struggling with the trunk diagrams.  He feels a lot of the details on the decal pictures I sent have faded which has presented some problems.  I have taken anmother long look at them and have come to the following conclusions:

- The lines for the trunk opening lip, trunk floor lines, trunk latch and everything to do with the spare tire are in fact less "pronounced" than things like the jack stand, wing nut, screwdriver (for the one dated 66), lug wrench and jack stand. May seem odd, but that is the way it appears.
- Such is not the case with the jack location diagram which seems to have everything darker and more pronounced.

Do you guys understand what I'm trying to say?

Yes, and I agree 100%. Some of those similar lines on the NOS conv. one I have are exactly like that and were done that way deliberately I'm sure. If every line would have been bold or the same it would have been way too busy of a sticker.
Can't wait to obtain one for our restoration,
Thanks for the update Don,
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