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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: June 11, 2014, 07:30:59 PM
DW, I was thinking the same thought. We do have "all the pieces"". Yet, After reading many of the comments on the Corvette site, I can see how dissention can occur.

What I am reffering to is that someone(group) decides on a standard to judge the cars by and everyone scrambles to make their car conform.

Yet, here on CRG, we kind of celebrate the diversity and realize and document the variances we find. It is a learning process. To say all the cars(insert your year and model) are "cookie cutter" exact would erase what all the years of site research have netted. An example: My 396 car has (had) only one screw holding the RH tailpipe hanger on and only 2 clips holding the muncie speedo cable in place. Although the AIM shows and I know both these details are not in conformance with what is known as correct, I am leaving the car "as found" even if it would cause "points" loss, which has no interest to me. On the other hand, with the flame paint job it had, I am glad there are documented examples of stripes, and other details I can reference, here, on the site.
To summarize: it is good to know how it should be when restoring and also good to keep it unique knowing things were not exact on the assembly line. NCRS, while probably the best organization promoting the Vette, has, or can have, inherent flaws in establishing conformity regarding judging standards.
From the cars I've looked at and asked about the norm seems to be two Muncie speedo clips used, not three as the AIM shows! I agree with your statements so no dispute, but hope your not implying the NCRS judging manuals creates cookie cutter cars. To many including me it's what is considered the norm, but that does not mean there are exceptions as there are exceptions to just about any manufacturing process. With any organization we can find something that is not correct or should be improved but a Camaro guideline similar to NCRS would/could assist many hobbyist. If anyone has a chance review a 68/69 Corvette judging manual as it's loaded with information and some of it carries over to our cars as well.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: June 10, 2014, 06:35:17 AM
so it seems to me they threaten law suits because somebody speaks their mind ? won`t correct a judging guide that has been wrong for a decade ? then close down the documentation service that makes them money ? it sure does seem like some big ego`s clashing and not playing nice. kind of like school yard bullies. i guess charging 50.00 just to see where a car was sold new they maybe should keep it going. lets see, 200,000 plus camaros, now add how ever many nova`s and chevelles that adds up to alot of coin. interesting to see where this goes. great read by the way, thanks for posting the link.

Eldon - not defending NCRS here for sure but before you put to much stock in what you read from the whiners, you should try and find an organization that has done a better job of promoting restoration in the car hobby world. The recent actions by the current directors are not reflective of how the organization got where it is.

I'm a member of the NCRS and as Roy (thank you Roy for your NCRS service over the many years) stated "find an organization that has done a better job of promoting restoration". I've said many times I wish we in this great Camaro hobby had an organization that was similar and had a guideline for restoration.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: June 09, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
More info here- http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/3481298-ncrs-absurdity.html
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Dimmer Switch 3841892 Grommet? on: June 08, 2014, 05:55:48 PM
Bob,

 I checked the 67 4B LOS and it looks exactly like the pictures Steve posted with one exception, Steve's has a lone number 3 and mine is the number 2. Otherwise the manufacturer and '833' are the same and relative to each others position.
 As for rubber vs plastic, I would say a flexible plastic. If I had to order one and the choice was rubber or plastic, I would select plastic.

Mike

I have a couple originals including the one out of our 68 and it sure seems just to be plastic. The huge issue is the inside diameter on the grommet that comes with the repro carpet vs. the carpet grommet originals. Original on the right. And they can be found without spending a lot. Purchased an original off a Camaro dealer at Spring Carlisle for $1.00 just to have for another spare. I could assume GM used that grommet on my types of GM cars.

35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Which water pump needed for '68 Z28 on: June 08, 2014, 05:25:57 PM
I believe that water pump was used on trucks also and the reason for the 3/4" size along with when they went to re-man outlets they were mostly changed to the 3/4" size. JohnZ mentioned the re-man issue before if my memory is correct.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Early 1968 Z/28 original tires? on: June 03, 2014, 05:29:13 PM
It was an E70x15 according to the air pressure sticker, being available only on the Z28 I would call it special.

By the way the early 69 Z's list the on their Window Sticker a no cost 15" tire option.
PU6 AD - E70 x 15 Tiires
This was dropped sometime between N522xxx and N528xxx based on the Window Stickers in JM's book.

What was the P28 option, priced at $90 for 1968 models,... "Wheels, 15" and special tire (added 03JAN68 to AIM)"

There is a guy on the Yenko site with a 68 L78 4.56 or 4.88 car that has the original window sticker and 15" tire option, pretty sure it has DF's & wide tread GT's, someone else remembers a car (was def not a Z as it either had air or was a real auto car) with the 15" tire pressure sticker but had discounted it as being wrong earlier in their life.   

Would the wide tread GT have been called a 'special tire' in Jan '68?   Was that the standard tire on the Z28 at that time?   If not, what WAS the standard tire on the Z28 in Jan '68?   I was thinking that this 'special tire' might have been red line tires...?

I have an original Goodyear wide tread tire still on the large font DF wheel and the tire is date coded Jan68. JerryM 68 survivor is an earlier 67 built 68 Z so maybe he will chime in.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 12 Bolt Vent Tube on: May 28, 2014, 06:50:56 PM
Concerning the Vent Tube-I thought or probably more correct to state I ASSUMED the vent tube was part of the rear differential assembly when painted. Or was it placed in after paint?
Got my answer as JohnZ said they were installed after paint.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 12 Bolt Vent Tube on: May 27, 2014, 08:47:25 PM
Concerning the Vent Tube-I thought or probably more correct to state I ASSUMED the vent tube was part of the rear differential assembly when painted. Or was it placed in after paint?
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 12 Bolt Vent Tube on: May 27, 2014, 08:29:19 PM
Lloyd,

Yes. It was the all white version and looks exactly like the one that Chick posted earlier. Perhaps their on-line catalog isn't up to date. I too, searched high and low for a long time to find the correct all white version and after stumbling across Bair's at Carlisle (and reading Chick's post) it was a no brainer to buy one. My rear still has the faded yellow vent tube but for a dollar I just couldn't pass it up.  Grin

You may want to give them a call. Ask for Brian...he's a real nice guy and I'm sure would be happy to help. Bair's riveted my upper ball joints about a year ago and do top notch quality work.

Let me know how you make out.

Bob
For sure Bob, Brian is a chip off the ol' block as his Dad is a great guy to talk to as well. Gee, a buck! Paid a few more for mine!

Lloyd, I ordered mine with some other Corvette stuff from Eckler's. What is shown on the website is a white and black version but they for sure have them along with other suppliers in all white but you might want to verify with whoever you choose to order from.
http://www.ecklerscorvette.com/corvette-differential-housing-air-vent-1965-1982.html
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Wittek clamps on: May 26, 2014, 08:51:53 AM
I'm looking at some used original wittek smog pump clamps, how could I determine what is a fair price to offer the seller for the clamps.
Price can vary a lot and what one person would pay is not what another would, etc.. ! I'd search ebay and google the internet to assist with pricing.
PacecarJeff sells them! http://www.broachbuster.com/id45.htm
Darrell, that was a good one!
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 Z28 carb fuel line bracket. on: May 26, 2014, 06:36:45 AM
There is a original Z28 holley Carburetor Fuel Line with the bracket stamped with Stamp Rite listed on EBay now.

Here's the link...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151303279793?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D151303279793%26_rdc%3D1

Paul

Holy cow!  Sold for $625.78!   Shocked

Paul
Yes it is! Take that bracket and the power booster Z/28 hose bracket that recently sold and one has close to $1100! The detail stuff has gone out the roof!
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealership Memorabilia & Dealership Info on: May 24, 2014, 06:25:27 PM
Found out from the NCRS report our 69Z came out of Rosenthal Chevrolet in Arlington, VA. Did not find much in the way of old pictures but did uncover this info. If anyone has more please add.



And a car possibly sponsored by them?HuhHuh


43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealership Memorabilia & Dealership Info on: May 24, 2014, 06:08:26 PM
Charlie Mason paid Baldwin Auto Co. 5500.00 bucks for the 1 and only converted 67 L78 chevelle to a aluminum head 427 by Motion performance pictured in front on the dealership. He got 1 chevelle for the price of 2..  Thomas Mote gave 4280.45 to Baldwin Auto Co. for his  Motion prepped 1968 427 Camaro on 4/24/68 and drove it back home to MD.

Great info and can believe the $5500 for the 67 but only $4280.45 for a 68 427 seems extremely low as a L78 car from GM probably listed close to that. Any idea where both of these cars are today, especially that 67 Chevelle?
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealership Memorabilia & Dealership Info on: May 21, 2014, 08:57:31 PM
Chick the sign on the car hauler what does it say? I think it says "Another load for Ammon & Smith  Special promotional Sale"

By George Vince, I believe your correct! Never really looked at the tractor trailer sign that close.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Dealership Memorabilia & Dealership Info on: May 18, 2014, 09:42:57 PM
Baldwin, Nickey, & Yenko Dealerhips
Come on, keep the info coming!
Went to Baldwin in 1969 with a friend who was thinking of purchasing a new Baldwin 427 Camaro! The dealership was small and at the time we were both disappointed. He did not buy as he had a little sticker shock and they only had a 427 Nova in the show room to look at. Think it was $6 thousand something. Lot of money back then!
Baldwin Chevrolet


Nickey Chevrolet


Yenko Chevrolet

Take your pick of inventory in behind the dealership!




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