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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fuel Pump Backing Plate on: September 27, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Several Camaro friends have emailed me and their findings along with my sampling overwhelmingly show the plate being normally painted.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Fuel Pump Backing Plate on: September 23, 2014, 09:25:24 PM
Thanks Bill and Gary!
Cmon' Man  Grin, I know a lot of you have survivors or cars purchased in the 70's and some of you restore, judge, and breath cars so surely there has to be some more info on what you have seen.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 22, 2014, 05:43:49 PM
I saw the pic of the car. I'd guess Fathom Blue, but I've been wrong on shades of blue before.

It's the strangest stamp I've seen, but I think it's real. Never seen one like that.

Kurt, here is a better picture we took of engine pad this afternoon.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 z/28 373 rear end inspection marks on: September 22, 2014, 11:03:51 AM
Thanks for the replys.James I understand redo what you find.But when somebody removes all of the factory markings there is nothing to find.We are restoring a rear end for a 69 trans am now and there are a bunch of original markings on it.
You want it to add to your 68Z?
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: September 22, 2014, 10:59:58 AM
Thanxs Chick for the response and I don't care that it took some time I'm just glad that you could accomadate me. I know that you're a busy man and things in life pop up. 

Do you have any pics of his shifter body / date. I've been trying to keep tabs on the shifters and I believe they are dated, but some guys don't think so.
I thought they were dated as well! No, do not have any pics of shifter body as have not been totally under the car YET. Smiley
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 21, 2014, 06:51:54 PM
Here's a cropped and rotated version of the pad.

What color is the car?
Fathom Blue  Not too many that color!
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Fuel Pump Backing Plate on: September 21, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
I have this in our build thread but wanted to hopefully gain some opinions here among the experts. This summer I learned from a member that Legends Judging in Frederick, MD deducted points for not having the aforementioned backing plate painted black. I currently do not have mine painted and now have to decide to take off or let it the way it is. Why do I have it non-painted and bare metal? Well for two reasons! One, we know the fuel pump and plate were installed at the final assembly plant, not the engine plant and according to JohnZ (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8151.0) “The fuel pump mounting plate was normally installed as unpainted raw steel. The Chevrolet Central Office Paint Standards Department issued a "Painted Parts List" to the assembly plant Paint Superintendents which identified the raw parts which were to be primed black in the plant's small parts paint system; if a part wasn't on that list, it wasn't supposed to be painted.” And “in NCRS Flight Judging, we expect to see the mounting plate unpainted.” Second reason, before finding John's information I had two fuel pump backing plates in my box of parts, one from a 67 327 and the other from our 68 302 and guess what, one was painted black and the other bare metal. After the research I decided to have our plate bare metal for the engine re-build and restoration which I completed months ago but now I'm not sure what judges expect to see or what is the norm. I checked my friends two survivors (68 & 69 Z's) and both of those plates seem to be painted black. Checked with a well known restorer of Gen I Camaro's and other GM products and he communicated he's seen them both ways, both painted black and bare metal. If I'm going to change it to black now is the time but wondering what others have found as one part of me says to let it alone and the other says change it to not get into any BS. Penny for your thoughts/ideas/findings! Has anyone had points deducted for not having their fuel pump plate bare metal?
Here are the two plates I had documented, left one painted, right one not:


Painted plate appears to have been dip painted as many other parts:


The painted plates bottom edge showing paint:


Now the fuel pump plate that appears to have no paint & bare metal:


Note the bottom edge of this plate appears to have no paint:
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 21, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Low mileage '68 Z? Sounds like everyone's got one.  Wink

CORRECTION:  Low mileage '68 Z? Everyone wants one!  Smiley

Paul
X2! And I had been told the car only had 19 thousand some miles on it by a local who knew of the car.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 20, 2014, 10:15:16 PM
Bruce, was the guy's name Paul? The car was his son's correct? I looked at the car at the last show we were at together (you probably never saw it as he left on the early side) and the pad seemed correct to me both in broach marks and stamping but I'm no expert. The cowl plenum was the real deal but had a repro rubber sleeve. He gave me his name and address as I wanted to look the car over more closely. Nice to look for things on real Z/28's and of course, got to love those 68 Z/28's.... Smiley
I need to clarify something here.... Smiley The stamping looked OK to me but not referring to the MO that apparently was hand stamped of course for some reason. Our MO was built 10 days after this one and much of the assembly build date stamp looks the same. It for sure is interesting as I never saw a MO like that but again the rest seemed to fit the bill. I took a picture of it with my cell phone but not much better than what Bruce showed.

25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 20, 2014, 08:24:52 PM
Bruce, was the guy's name Paul? The car was his son's correct? I looked at the car at the last show we were at together (you probably never saw it as he left on the early side) and the pad seemed correct to me both in broach marks and stamping but I'm no expert. The cowl plenum was the real deal but had a repro rubber sleeve. He gave me his name and address as I wanted to look the car over more closely. Nice to look for things on real Z/28's and of course, got to love those 68 Z/28's.... Smiley
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Master cylinder cover on: September 20, 2014, 07:25:17 AM
Just posted this on the thread on the late 1969 09D Z/28 survivor and thought would post here as well for future searches.
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: September 20, 2014, 07:22:01 AM
Chick,
Would it be possible to get detailed pics of the Master Cylinder Lid / Wording and Vent holes. Thanxs Dave
Sorry it took so long Dave as I was on vacation and then took some time to get back up for a picture but here you go!
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Govt Seized Yenko's & Muscle Cars on: September 14, 2014, 06:37:12 AM
Did not see this here so thought it might be interesting to many to see many felons like cars also! Just got back from vacation and was checking up on news and this was very interesting in what they ended up going for.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/580383/1
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Master cylinder cover on: September 14, 2014, 06:26:20 AM
To help establish info here is a lid off a 5/31/68 dated Engineering Unit that was never installed. Parts List that came with unit lists cover as #5455517


30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Bolt ID, 67. on: September 13, 2014, 02:05:19 PM
The first 6 appear to be for the leaf spring bracket and you can purchase new ones from AMK that are correct since it appears yours need replaced. The second picture are not screws originally part of your 67 IMO since the screw threading goes out to the very end which is a later design which started in the early 70's.
Also, as side note! Be careful of repro j-nuts as they are soft and strip out under torque or at least many of us have had issues with that in the past. I purchased mine from GM a couple years ago but not sure if they are still available.
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