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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 27, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
Steve, you remember this thread? It dealt with different deck lid bumpers with pictures.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7160.0
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 27, 2014, 12:52:05 PM

This I always found interesting that the 69 had such a different trunk lid bumper compared to the 67 & 68. This is one of the originals off the car and quick story. We knew the left side deck lid bumper was missing when the car was first looked at way back when. Not too long ago we were looking at the car and the trunk mat and in the crevice of the left side of the trunk the owner/friend while I'm standing beside him says can you believe this and picks up an original trunk lid bumper. What was interesting was the hole in the lid where it goes seemed to indicate if there was one there at one time it was not for too long. We believe possibly it was put in but not correctly, fell in the trunk corner crevice, and been there since the car was built. Just one of those things you find interesting.





Different trunk lid bumper for 67 68 ? My late 67 has the same type.
Originals I have looked at were a thicker and more squared off where the outside diameter met the face. Here is an example from a 68Z and our 68 was the same. Just my observation over the years between different years.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 27, 2014, 12:16:14 PM
Spare with 27 marked inside rim.


This I always found interesting that the 69 had such a different trunk lid bumper compared to the 67 & 68. This is one of the originals off the car and quick story. We knew the left side deck lid bumper was missing when the car was first looked at way back when. Not too long ago we were looking at the car and the trunk mat and in the crevice of the left side of the trunk the owner/friend while I'm standing beside him says can you believe this and picks up an original trunk lid bumper. What was interesting was the hole in the lid where it goes seemed to indicate if there was one there at one time it was not for too long. We believe possibly it was put in but not correctly, fell in the trunk corner crevice, and been there since the car was built. Just one of those things you find interesting.



Labels on the rear hubs.
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 27, 2014, 11:51:26 AM
Chick,

You can learn a lot going through Legends Judging... I had seen the ribbed hose in several pictures of low mileage original cars. If you use the still available hose from GM wipe off the inkjet part numbers first. No inkjet printers in 1969. I found one at http://www.newyorkrestomod.com/default.asp but I don't see it on their website now.

The square cut clamps ends are made differently now and have rounded ends, I have heard a small grinder can change that. The one in the picture looks like it was painted Black as there is a small section flaked off.

I wonder what finish would be on a NOS fuel Y block?

Mike
 
I think most here Mike know about the correct squared off spring clamps that also applies to the gas line clamps that are a kind of olive green color. NCRS is where I first heard of changing the repro's that are round to squared off years ago but they are still catchable IMO since the ears become too short. The clamp in my opinion was not painted black but has a small section that is rusting causing a type of flaking. Looking at this car I'm confident the carb was never off the car and is quite a specimen for reviews.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 27, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
Great Pictures! Thanks for posting.

A couple things I would like to point out. The first is the ribbed PCV hose with the Black flat ended spring clamp, no clamp on the PCV valve which was probably changed out years ago. There was a post about this hose awhile ago.

Next is the Y fuel block that looks to be steel? Will a magnet stick to it? Mine is brass.

Mike
Mike here is a picture of an original cross-ram fuel block and it looks steel or more like aluminum but its some type of coating over the brass. At the bottom of the threads you can see the brass as this fuel block had been used at Bill Jenkins shop. I can only assume that the late 69Z has a similar or same coating as again, it is non-magnetic as we checked!
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 27, 2014, 10:14:59 AM
Great Pictures! Thanks for posting.

A couple things I would like to point out. The first is the ribbed PCV hose with the Black flat ended spring clamp, no clamp on the PCV valve which was probably changed out years ago. There was a post about this hose awhile ago.

Next is the Y fuel block that looks to be steel? Will a magnet stick to it? Mine is brass.

Mike
Umm, I thought every survivor I've looked at has the black phosphate flat ended spring clamp so where did you find or learn that? I just went thru my pic file and everyone has it including JohnZ's 69 Z, and Jerry McNeish's 68Z survivor. On the hose, many of the originals had some type of ribbing and what I've noticed is later service replacements do not. One can still purchase the PCV hose from GM but its smooth. What post are you referring to? The fuel block does have the look of aluminum but is non-magnetic and I assume it to be brass with a coating as I have an original cross-ram fuel block that looks exactly the same but is heavy and in the threads you can see its brass. If you go to my build thread & post 838 I have a picture that was supplied by Jon Mello showing a 68Z motor coming off the dress line (assumption) and the pcv hose has the clamp. http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=182584&page=56
Hope that helps Mike on our end,
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Amazing 69 Z/28 Survivor on: August 26, 2014, 06:33:55 AM
Thought I'd add a few more pictures of discoveries on the car that were not shown prior. The sub-frame has a stenciled date of September 1969 along with a crayon mark.


The gas line support:


The console oil line fitting off the rear of the block:


Vac hose for distributor going into carb has white stripe:


Pictures of how the white was painted in the cowl area:


23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Distributor Questions.. on: August 24, 2014, 08:20:31 PM
There has been quite a bit of discussion regarding distributors lately - but the one thing I really haven't seen is many comments regarding the advance weights in them.
I have a '266 distributor in my '68 Zed and I recall taking out the original weights when I put in a kit and changed (lightened) up the springs and used the aftermarket weights in it, a few years back.
Question I have - since I can't right now locate the weights that are original to my distributor is.. are all GM distributor weights the same or were some specific to certain distributors like the high performance versions in L78 and Z 2/8's or solid lifter motors?
I'm sure the weights I took out are around somewhere (I recall seeing them a while back somewhere - but you know how you can never find stuff when you need to - only to have it show up later when you aren't looking anymore?) but in the meantime I have a couple of other old distributors from regular performance 283 and 327 small blocks, and I am wondering if they would likely exactly the same and be just as good to use.
I was going to trash the Accel or Mr. Gasket ones in it now and return it to 'as built' with slightly heavier springs than what I have in it right now, since the car occasionally has a wandering idle and I feel it is probably a case of the springs being a bit too light to settle it back down, along with possibly the aftermarket weights possibly being a bit different from the GM original types as well..
Any suggestions or comments are much appreciated - Thanks - Randy
 
Hi Randy, our distributor was restored/rebuilt and we had issues as the weights were not correct as the pin diameter (inner diameter) was larger than the pin diameter they fit on. I'm not sure if GM used weights with different inner diameter holes but ours sure had issues along with too weak of springs. When we had the engine on the dyno for break-in the timing kept jumping around and would not stay stationary which we ultimately caused us to stop, review the distributor, and take out and repair.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 22, 2014, 05:40:54 PM
Danny....not distributor related but could you take a few photos of the front spoiler.  Always looking for an original 1st, design spoiler.  Hard to find photos of them....most have been replaced by the larger service replacement.  Thanks in advance for your trouble.
And Danny, the hardware!
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: vaccum hose connection on: August 21, 2014, 05:15:55 PM
Assembly manual shows it for the L78. Bracket is mounted to the valve cover to hold the tube
Are you referring to the PCV hose bracket for L78? As John mentioned its attached to the right side carb nut.
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: August 21, 2014, 05:00:16 PM
HELP.. I pulled my distributor cap last night and wanted to rotate the engine to number one, get it ready for the dist. to drop back in. Brought it to TDC and the rotor was facing right at the center of the right hood hinge. So I thought, well, I need to go around, so I went around again and the rotor ended up right in the corner of left inner fender and cowl. What's the deal, what am I doing wrong? Is it because I needed to only go 180 degrees instead of a full 360? I pulled it out and will worry about it later. The rubber advance limiter bumper was gone! Just as you guys said it probably was. The shaft is very tight in it's hole with no movement side to side. BUT the shaft moves up and down 3/8th's of an inch or more.. Yikes!! The 532 point plate WAS there after all. Previous owner said it might have been changed. So that's a plus. Taking it to a speed shop in San Fran for a set-up. Hoping to have the Master, Dist., Alt all rebuilt internally ONLY. No outside restoration. That way I can keep the survivor visual. Then along with the new WP, throw it all back on in a month or two and see what I got... Danny

   P.S.
 Which way do I turn the center crank pulley bolt for removal. Is it standard thread? The old righty tighty, lefty lucy?

Danny, sometimes when dropping the distributor back in the hole the oil pump shaft needs to be aligned so it drops in correctly.  Check the bottom of the distributor on how you want to align it and see how the gear will match the oil pump shafts slot. Many times a long screwdriver is needed for slight adjustments for alignment and full drop in. Not sure what you have but that might be the issue.
Love that butternut 68 Z/28.....
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro Performers magazine discontinued. GONE I TELL YOU....GONE GONE GONE!!! on: August 16, 2014, 06:29:34 AM
So, our next president that gets my vote will have to swear to the following...

"People of America, if I am elected president, I promise to restore the economy, end terrorism, Crush russia and put putin in his place, level north korea and iran, drill for oil anywhere it is until we have so much of the stuff that the oil companies pay us to take it off their hands, frack the fracking frackible fracks wherever the frack it is, re-open and build new coal plants everywhere so electricity is cheaper than dirt, pass a law that makes CAFE standards applicable to coffee quality only and nothing to do with MPG of cars, do away with every single law restricting our 2nd amendment and force anit-gun people to buy a gun, shut down the IRS because of their POS attiutde, shut down the EPA ASAP, close the DOE PDQ, and go after the DEA until they are DOA, restore our military and let them do what they do best and force all politicians' children to join, re-open the agency of Un-American activities and chase down every low down commie/socialist/preogressvie despot and flog them publicly, but ONLY AFTER I, as president of the United States of America, restores Camaro Performers." 


Now I got a great chuckle on that this sunny morning with my first great mug of coffee brew! But there is a clear message and many of us know our country needs to change course. Better stop know and keep the smile and enjoy my coffee. Let's see now, oh yea, back to ESPN...... Smiley
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68' z28 Camaro emblem on trunk lid on: August 05, 2014, 06:05:30 AM
Can you post a picture of the inside of the lid? Is your car a NOR or LOS car and when was it built? Original paint?
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Caveat Emptor on: July 27, 2014, 10:28:27 AM
Thanks guys I am running for the hills I received a PM from another member and he said they are the same pictures when it was sold by someone else a year ago , Darrell

Darrell, to assist others I'd kindly suggest communicating ebay so they are aware as you could easily do this with the bid retraction. I have done so a couple times and the item was taken off. They do not want this anymore than we do.
Thanks William!
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Wire stand on: July 26, 2014, 06:19:23 PM
Hey Chick....I noticed that location on Danny's pictures and immediately thought of you.....just forgot to tell you about it.

BTW....the link you posted is not the correct one, it should be the two prior pages that are displaying the alternator mounting problems.  Just a thought....did you measure to see if the alternator might be positioned too far forward.  I think that when I had headers on my car, the adapter positioned mine forward. 

Just a thought.

Post 800 & 806 on the page I linked both show the bracket don't they along with the alternator mounting questions don't they? I just checked and it did but maybe something else is wacky?HuhHuh Jerry, probably correct on the header thing and I do have the brackets located from the front but every time I see a picture I wonder about those brackets. Smiley
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