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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My 69 not that much fun anymore on: April 04, 2011, 07:12:41 PM
If you want to Day-2 a car today it should be done with vintage parts. Not the Summit or Jegs parts. Tough to find that stuff but makes it all the fun. Alot of cars before resto had these old 60's-70's parts on them but many toss them duing the resto process. Fix em, paint em, detail em, clean em, drive em, and or race em! No more lawn ornaments and cookie cutter stuff. JMO

That's what I'm talking about!  I have a lot of 'vintage' parts.... except wheels.  And NO I am not going to go there... more square wheels!  I need to find something authentic looking that will run straight and true, without worrying about cracked aluminum or rusty welds. Maybe with a decent modern tire sized to look like the old N50-15's out back and something skinny on the front.  Not toooo skinny.  Any suggestions?

Not doing the track bars... likely going mild lift with the Air-Shocks as mostly I remember that you could do one OR the other....mind you I could always paint the Jegs's ones yellow   Cool
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: X11 S /RS question on: April 04, 2011, 10:25:45 AM
Thank you.  I checked the research area, on X codes and that's what I came up with...

I'm not saying anything unless he brings it up with me personally..... no rain on his parade.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / X11 S /RS question on: April 04, 2011, 09:40:06 AM
I was visiting a friend's brother yesterday. He was storing a 69 Camaro for another friend. I wish I had brought a camera.

It was a Fathom Green Big block car, very restored looking, nice. 

OK I noticed that it had SuperSport wheels D90 Hockey stripe,  so assumed at first it was an early build car.  No glasses with me and kinda dark but trim pad noted:  X11 and I could make out the date of 06A
The car was Rally Sport equipped, no squirters on the headlights, and the wiper motor was not the kind I see with the solenoid for the squirters. Car had a cowl hood, and heater core was for a big block.  Then I noticed the Holly and incorrect intake. Tail panel painted black.  12437N ... other stuff... repop console gauges, am radio, fm antenna... usual easy stuff.

Anyway they told my buddy that it was a 'correct restoration' so I didn't say much other than ... mmmmm nice!

The cowl tag bugged me a bit.... the upper edge was really sharp fold back to the cowl, and very smooth.... OTOH the numbers were very flat and difficult to read. The rivets looked ok with my poor eyes.

My question... so the wheels would be early for the car, which is fine, as I liked them, but the X11 code with the big block RS is that OK?

19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My 69 not that much fun anymore on: April 03, 2011, 11:18:10 AM
Play with it. The car is more fun that way.  Swap the wheels, get a different exhaust, play with a NOM motor, Add some "Day 2" traction bars etc.

You gotta have something to play with.


Yes! That's what I was sentimentalizing about....' Day 2.'  Didn't understand the reference from Mark and Richard but that seems to be the direction. I Google'd  the term and ended up at Team Chevelle.
Is there any other references to this 'Day2' thing?  I guess you'd just have to pick through old magazines and the Summit catalog  but maybe there are new publications going that direction?

20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My 69 not that much fun anymore on: April 02, 2011, 09:49:16 PM
Thanks for the thoughtful comments guys... really.  Kiss

OK so stripes are cleared as well, so paint for them would be in order, anyway. Has a spare mirror, RH door, touchup not a breeze. I think I need a few stone chips. Really would stop me fussing so much about it.

Agree that a Pace Car should not be 'hurt', my bro thinks I'm crazy also.

Yes there are cheap cars out there.... I've got 5 Camaro's a Vette, motorcycle and three drivers. I collect, never get rid of stuff.  My ex got the house and I got the wheels.  If I buy another car they will send me to the loony bin.
Local car shows are fun , but mostly they look at first-gens but talk third gens.  You know the lingo... that's why I built my crazy 9T4Z and ended up with a couple third gens and it keeps my son very engaged with my projects
 Now I have to focus on getting rid of cars and parts, and deciding what route will make me happier. I enjoy the hobby of learning about correct cars, probably more than I would enjoy having a 'concours' one  Tongue Spell check doesn't like that word!

While I was polishing my vintage M/T valve covers, I smelled something burning, couple minutes ago. Thought it was the drill. Nope, left dinner on the burner. Girlfriend out. Looks like soup tonight. Embarrassed

I am going to create a new class for car shows...Vintage Street, no parts on the vehicle more than 10 years newer than the car was made. Only you have to start with a correct car and go backwards. . Wink

Typed up a list of what was going to come off the car, and what would go on. Other than wheels and tires I have about everything I need. It will all be stored carefully rest assured. I don't really think I can 'hurt' the car, it will all be bolt on stuff... circa 1976 so that it will 'recreate' a feeling of the era. First thing to come off are those door decals. I have lots of vintage race stuff from the mid 70s and bits of chrome dress up, aluminum pieces etc

The Princess is not dead, I'm just putting her to sleep for a few years. When I get the urge and enough energy, she will be be back, better than ever.

In the meantime maybe this is not the place for me to post up a list of what I plan, counter intuitive to the CRG mandate, or maybe I should start a web-link and I can get comments.  Maybe start another thread in 'un-restoration'?  Cheesy
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / My 69 not that much fun anymore on: April 02, 2011, 05:50:32 PM
 I need to share.

  After working for a number of years to make my 69 'correct', I'm really feeling kinda blue. I lost my heated garage three years back so it's been kinda hard just keeping up with the 'preservation' of the car much less pushing it to the next level. Late last fall I removed the intake and exhaust manifolds with the intention of repainting and having the manifolds ceramic coated. The rust was killing me. Found the correct dated master and had it rebuilt, same with the booster. Cast ceramic done.

Now I'm rethinking where I'm going with the car.  Other than the Judged events like ACA and the like, the average guy could care two cents. I open the hood and they look and say 'oh' and they're off. I really really enjoy talking to knowledgeable Camaro fans, but they are few and far between.  Most conversations revolve around ' oh I always wanted a Pace Car or whatever'.
The trip to Carlisle is a major endeavor, and now that ACA has moved, I'm not much in the mood to push the extra miles with the trailer and the gas$$$.

So other than a few hundred people on the planet who really cares that its a 'born with drive-train'.... its not a L78, oh just a 350. Oh I see you have the correct brake lines, nice.

Tired of driving around on date correct wheels that hop at 70 mph, on 'correct Goodyear bias/belted tires'. Tired of another 'misfire' from my crappy 'date correct' wires.  And so on and on.

It's just not that much fun worrying about the dust on the road, gravel, rainstorms, etc.

Selling it is not an option. Prices are soft, and I spent bucks knowing that the only person who benefits from restored is the buyer. So I want to keep it but just think right now I'm going to 're-think' the car.

Taking it up to the next level..... Vintage Elite or Legends would require even more effort. Would need to repaint (I have base clear) dated glass and a 'Gardner exhaust'. And then what... more bucks and never take the car outside again? Hell as it is the car feels like a Museum piece.

So..... here is what I'm thinking.  If I had have owned this car, back in the 70's when I was a young man, what would I have done to make it 'mine'Huh  I certainly would not have left it just as it was delivered from the factory. I think I would have put headers on it, decent looking valve covers, some chrome under the hood, nice wheels and tires... and driven it like I stole it.

My rant, sorry must have been the long long winter 
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Acid wash reveals vin on engine block on: April 02, 2011, 09:21:09 AM
No such thing as stupid questions.  Yes I did it in the car.  Took off the oil filter and just kept running a paint brush dipped in Muriatic acid on it.  Kept taking photo's on Macro mode before I could tell where the numbers were.... fairly high up on the cast area.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help with chrome tail pipes on: April 02, 2011, 09:14:30 AM
Thanks Eddie... I did the same.  They only have data to 1972 , they referred me to Parks Auto Parts which they advised me buys up obsolete Walker parts, and may have older books.  We'll see.
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 7 Blade Temp Control Fan on: April 02, 2011, 09:02:11 AM
The unstamped fan is not an unstamped 772 fan.  It is a very different design.  Check the pictures showing the two fans.



very interesting.... did not know that.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 on eBay for the 10th time...Is it the real deal?? on: April 02, 2011, 08:40:19 AM
Just curious.... Jan cast, Feb assembled into mid March car could be ok no?  Obviously the heads are replaced.

26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: valve covers on: March 27, 2011, 08:37:08 PM
They just looked so plain after the 68's that the first thing the owners did was replace the valve covers.... yes the original are steel orange and yes I'm tempted to put the 'finned one's on' too

27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: PROPORTIONING VALVE on: March 27, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
Can't help but please remove the cap's lock.... capitalized means you are shouting..

take care
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help with chrome tail pipes on: March 27, 2011, 10:59:14 AM
Thanks for the input guys... definitely 1969 Camaro vintage 'repop'.... no I won't call them NOS.  Back in the box for another 40 years!
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Camaro Nationals Moving on: March 24, 2011, 05:38:20 PM
Big time sucks that they are on the same weekend    Cry
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: "KC" stamped Big Block on: March 21, 2011, 08:46:19 PM

 Huh      I  believe I posted a comment last week that may have been removed....I am not sure as it it not here.
In the post is said      'don't hold your breath waiting for a pic'
What I really meant to say was that 'I am holding my breath waiting for a pic'

If my post was removed because it was inappropriate, I apologize.   If I have alzheimers and never made the post, just entirely disregard anything I post.     Huh
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