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2836  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros. on: May 30, 2011, 04:05:03 PM
I'm loving that. A few things I have seen in original photos, the oil filler tube and cap were chrome, the thermostat housing was gray, the fuel line crossed the passenger side valve cover in the middle aimed at the center of the carburetor and then teed off with arched Aeroquip fuel lines to the front and rear float bowls. The fuel pump boss had a bare aluminum plate covering it and the top two bolts were safety wired, likewise for the bottom two bolts. The same safety wire does not run through all four bolts. For some reason, this car used a big block cowl plenum air cleaner with a subtle notch on the driver's side of the air cleaner housing. They had to shorten the metal extension that went toward the plastic duct on the firewall and when restapling the rubber sleeve to the air cleaner housing, the taped up seam of the rubber was now on top rather than being hidden underneath. What are your plans for the trunk lid? The opening for the fuel filler is for the '68 and '69 style and the trunk pins are not appropriate where they placed them.
2837  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Special... Streaks on: May 30, 2011, 03:03:48 PM
Chad, I asked a friend about this who I thought might have some insight but his input was...

"That is very interesting, and I must say that I have never seen the dual blue stripes, even though I thought of myself as a "Goodyear Bluestreak afficianado". I have 4 NOS 7.00 X 15 Bluestreaks from Carroll Shelby vintage 1963 - 64 and they still have the stickers on them. My tires have the single blue stripe. Sorry I couldn't be more help."

I'll continue to ask around. Have you tried asking about this on the TNF website?
2838  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Factory rear sway bar set-up, 1967 on: May 30, 2011, 12:02:53 AM
Bruce, thanks a bunch for posting that T/G rear sway bar. Very cool piece. I've seen some aluminum pillow blocks that have a brass or bronze insert for the sway bar to ride in and some that are just aluminum only. I don't see any noticeable wear on these pillow blocks of yours and they sure seem to be the 42 year old originals. Are there no problems with a steel sway bar riding by itself in an unlubricated bare aluminum pillow block?

Chad, thanks for the links to the L9 bolts. They appear to be an Australian manufacturer.
2839  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Engine photos on: May 28, 2011, 11:01:39 PM
This photo is of the Bud Turner '67 Camaro engine as seen in the "How to Hot Rod Small Block Chevys" book.
Notice the homemade cowl plenum air cleaner going the opposite direction of "normal". That's because this
car had a transmission cooler up in the top of the cowl on the passenger side so it was improvisation time.
Other items of interest are the Corvette radiator, the cut-down flex fan and the Z28 1x4 intake and valve covers.

This picture from "The Complete Chevrolet Book, No. 2" shows Bud Turner's '67 Camaro at the 1971 Riverside
Trans-Am, car #12. It changed from the white with black hood paint job of 1970 to a medium blue with yellow
nose stripe and yellow accents on the side of the roof and rear (but kept the black hood).
2840  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Goodyear Blue Streak Sports Car Special... Streaks on: May 28, 2011, 10:42:16 PM
Chad, I've got several Goodyears (and a Firestone) from that era and all have the single stripe between the two ridges. I honestly have never noticed that some of the Goodyears had a double stripe like that. First I've seen of it. It looks on my old Goodyears that a mask or template is used to spray on the stripe between the two ridges. In absence of the mask or template, if someone were to apply the paint with a tiny roller or something, it would yield the double stripe arrangement.
2841  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Moroso products on: May 28, 2011, 10:00:45 PM

2842  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Moroso products on: May 28, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
Here's the whole '73 catalog in its entirety...

2843  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1967 396 Camaro LOS built on: May 28, 2011, 07:29:49 PM
If you are meaning the partial VIN is upside down and facing toward the head, there is nothing bogus about that. It happened on many LOS cars. I've also seen partial VINs on LOS cars where they reversed the L and the 7, meaning instead of 7L123456 (for example), it would read L7123456. Numerous examples of that also exist.
2844  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros. on: May 27, 2011, 05:10:36 PM
The emails I exchanged with them are on my old mothballed computer. I was trying to get them to make changes that I felt were within the realm of possibility. Certainly I felt the black in place of the gray on the '67 model was something that would be a slam dunk but they did not agree with me that the cars were done that way. They said they conversed directly with Penske's representatives and they had signed off on the cars as presented. Right there I knew it was an uphill climb. I was hoping for engine compartment details to be appropriate for each year and for the dashes to be appropriate for each year as well. While they used the '69 dash for all three years, the steering wheel appeared to be from the '67 for all three. An odd mix. I didn't dare go beyond a whole lot more than that because I could see it just wasn't going to get done. They were building models to fit a price range and as such there neded to be shared components to accomplish that feat. Like you have said, they did make some very nice models and that needs to be kept in perspective. They are miles better than other offerings. Could they have been done better and more accurately? Without question, but they would have been much more expensive and that wasn't in the business plan.

Thank you very much for the photos of your other cars. They are quite extraordinary. I'm thinking that '68 Shelby notchback is going to turn out extremely well. I can't even imagine the hours involved with all of those, especially the Challenger and Javelin.
2845  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: front spoiler on: May 27, 2011, 04:48:18 PM
When i got my car the original spoiler was gone but what remained was pieces of the plastic under six regular 5/16 head self tapping screws.  All the holes where the support braces would attach were untouched and still had paint in them so i knew i didnt have the second type larger spoiler and replaced it with the short textured one.  My car was in storage for 15 years prior to me getting it and was mostly original & unmolested with 58xxx showing on the speedo so i would guess those self tappers were original but i suppose the original owner could have added the spoiler.  Hope that helps and glad i found this place!!! Smiley

1968 Sequioa Green Camaro SS
396/325 M20

I'm with you, Chris. I think the self-tapping sheet metal screws are the right ones for the early '68 spoiler, not the machine screws and nuts. The few original examples I have seen (pretty hard to find) have had self-tappers.
2846  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Interview with Robert Barg, Trans-Am racer on: May 27, 2011, 03:33:57 PM
Thanks. I'm glad you like it. It was pieced together from numerous emails and made to read like a story rather than an interview but I think it turned out well. Robert is a great guy, a terrific asset to enthusiasts of Trans-Am racing back in the "golden era", and I am really pleased to have his story here on this forum. It gives great insight into what it took to be a dedicated racer back then.
2847  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Stewart-Warner oil pressure sender on: May 26, 2011, 10:43:36 PM
I have noticed that Penske Camaros used the Stewart-Warner electrical oil pressure sender and thus an electrical gauge, rather than a mechanical one. It seems like most other Camaro racing engines did not use the electrical sender & gauge. Any thoughts as to why the Penske team went with these over the mechanical sender & gauge? Easier to hook up, but same accuracy?

Photo by Andrew Keller

2848  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros. on: May 26, 2011, 08:52:15 PM
Terrific post! Thanks for taking the time to do so. You got an eye for the details and I am certainly a fan of that. I think you'll find some others of the same mind here as well. When I heard that GMP was working on these I contacted them and tried everything I could to get them to not do the gray on the '67 model since it was not authentic for that particular car. Told them about the incorrect dash and numerous other details. In effect, they thanked me for my efforts, sent me several pre-production samples as an extra thank you (which I indeed appreciated), but cranked them out just as they were. I was very tempted to pull my '67 model apart and at least redo the gray to black but that hasn't happened. I'm not a modeler of your caliber but I do enjoy looking at the results of your efforts. I like to think I could do something similar but know that is too far down on my priority list to get to that level of professionalism. Show us some more details! How did the '67 and '68 dashes turn out?
2849  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Moroso products on: May 26, 2011, 02:08:32 PM
Hey Joe, thanks for posting that stuff. I've never seen that early of an example of a Moroso catalog. Rare item there. Can't be from '67 though as even the company website notes that the company started in 1968 and somewhere on the web recently I saw that it was Fall '68. Dick did have several speed shop type places earlier in the '60 but they never untilized his name in the title. Then he was partnered up with Jere Stahl (as Stahl-Moroso) in York, PA for a brief time before that disolved and he moved back to Connecticut in '68 to start the business we all know as Moroso. Most of what I wanted to get across was that Moroso valve covers and aircleaners did not exist in the classic era of the Trans-Am cars. They could have used the tach, degreed balancer and a few other items but Moroso was certainly aimed more at the drag racer. I'll try and find time to post all of the pages from the '73 catalog so people can see what else was available from them in that era. Is it possible for you to post any of the pages from that earlier catalog?
2850  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Engine photos on: May 25, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Very cool, Chad. I'm glad I asked the question.
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