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2521  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Are These Items For Real ? on: August 17, 2011, 01:49:16 PM
You're welcome, Rick. I will say that the rack, or whatever you want to call it, is a pretty nice way of displaying those pieces.
2522  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Looking for 1968 302 Camaro, Sequoia Green on: August 16, 2011, 09:41:08 PM
Dan, I did ask a few people who were down in LA back then and so far nobody remembers the car. If I can think of others to ask, I will. Too bad you don't have any old registration slips or insurance cards.
2523  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Are These Items For Real ? on: August 16, 2011, 09:36:53 PM
Rick, I have not spent a lot of time on ebay lately and had not seen or heard of the auction. As for the parts themselves, it's pretty hard to judge anything by those photos. It would really be best to see the parts in person. The parts that are in GM boxes or packages certainly seem like they would be NOS. The headers? If they were NOS, it looks to me like they might be repainted or Jet-Hot coated in black now. To me, that is kind of a shame.
2524  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Looking for 1968 302 Camaro, Sequoia Green on: August 16, 2011, 08:49:54 AM
Thanks for posting the photos, Dan. I have a friend who owned his own used hi-performance cars dealership in the '70s down in the LA area and I will ask him if this car is one he remembers.
2525  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos on: August 16, 2011, 08:46:16 AM
Thanks, Bruce. I appreciate it. You're right., it does take a bunch of time to post and caption everything but the result is worth it. This is a great reflection on a neat bit of bygone history, and also a great research tool for those that are always looking deeper into the subject.

I will be posting more race reports from this particular race and also have upcoming photos to post of the 1970 Mid-Ohio and Road America Trans-Ams. Stay tuned.
2526  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros. on: August 15, 2011, 10:39:20 PM
Mike, you are right. There are larger covers at the end of the season and I was just forgetting that detail. There are supposed to be headlights installed and whether there are (or are not) any behind those covers is anybody's guess. Penske might have gotten away with one. Of course, according to the rule book there were supposed to be windshield wipers on the cars also but depending on the race or car, many times the wipers are not installed. If you got by tech and nobody cared enough to protest, you got away with it. As examples, other cars that used covers over the headlights are Freddie Van Beuren's Mustang at Sebring in '67, Shelby's '68 Mustangs and Bob Grossman's '69 Camaro at Daytona (last one not T/A though).

Penske was never bashful about trying to improve aerodynamics. Witness the trimmed roof drip rail on the #15 car at Sebring in '68, the vertical windshield wipers, the occasionally taped-over windshield chrome, cheater spoilers, etc. The headlight covers could be included in that group.
2527  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos on: August 15, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
Thanks a bunch for the information and for posting pics of your wheel. Very neat item.

I heard a story about George Follmer at that Riverside race that you mentioned. I heard he deliberately crashed his car into the pit wall. Yes, I think the wheel may have already been broken but it has been said that he aimed it directly at the end of the pit wall to put the car out of commision so he wouldn't have to drive it anymore. Maybe he was irritated about the cars handling or some other aspect of its performance? Both George and Parnelli had well known bad tempers sometimes.
2528  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: A few different Cross Rams from the 2007 Camaro Nats display on: August 15, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
How about pumping up the size of the ones that you posted to about 800x600?
2529  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Wheels used on Trans-Am Camaros on: August 15, 2011, 03:28:11 PM
Thank you, Mike. I think those documents are quite useful.

Contact info for TPR, Inc can be found at http://www.tpr-inc.com/contact.asp
2530  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: A few different Cross Rams from the 2007 Camaro Nats display on: August 15, 2011, 01:20:19 PM
I heard the seminar was pretty good and I believe there was a video made of it. Has anybody seen it?
2531  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros. on: August 15, 2011, 01:18:00 PM
Thanks for the update. Interesting insight into the thinking concerning the Firebird project. I appreciate seeing some of what you're working on with the '67 too. Looks like a lot of things coming together at one time but it is clear that "the wheels are turning" regarding planning ahead.

As for the '69 car, it's looking good. I wanted to bring to your attention that the removal of the headlights and covering the hole with a flat plate did not begin until the 1970 season. Hence, the stock headlights were still in the '69 cars but covered with sticky-back vinyl or tape.
2532  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos on: August 15, 2011, 10:09:06 AM
Magazine coverage of the '69 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am, courtesy of Ron Lathrop. Thank you again, Ron!


August 1969 Car and Driver



August 1969 Sports Car Graphic







September 1969 Road and Track





A map of the track showing the turn numbers (in red ink).

1971 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am program
2533  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos on: August 15, 2011, 07:56:50 AM
Thanks, Steve. I appreciate the compliment (and those of others as well). I have been very fortunate to have had help on this forum from a number of sources but Ron Lathrop of course has been a HUGE help in taking what is done here to "another level". I can't say beyond what I hoped because I hoped BIG when I got this started.  Grin   Ron just helped get us there much quicker than I figured and for that, I am extremely grateful. (Thank you, Ron!!!)

As for the Yenko car, yes it is the one that Smokey built in '67 and it is the same car driven by Don when he won the Citrus 250 Nascar GT race in '69 (where Parnelli Jones debuted the Bud Moore Boss 302).

I don't really understand why Bud Moore switched the usage of his various style of mags around. Maybe someone else has an idea? I think there was concern about the American mags being more prone to breakage than the Minilites but if so, why use them at all if your worried?

I have seen the Firebirds with spoilers at some of the other T/A events. I'm not sure why they aren't on there for the Mid-Ohio event. Yes, Mid-Ohio was a relatively narrow and definitely challenging course. It sure looks like a fun place from the viewpoint of being a spectator and I think the drivers like the course also.
2534  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos on: August 14, 2011, 11:35:42 PM
Another shot of Fred Baker's Porsche, 2nd place in U-2.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Here is your race winner. Ron Bucknum won it by using a fuel conservation strategy pitting only twice instead of everyone else's
three times. He beat Parnelli to 100 completed laps by 13.1 seconds. This was the first win of the 1969 season for the Camaro.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Parnelli's 2nd place car.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

George Follmer drove to 3rd overall, also on lap 100.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Peter Revson finished a solid 4th overall, one lap down.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Ron Grable quietly had a good run, finishing 5th, also one lap down.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Donohue ended up finishing 7th overall due to the lost time in the pits changing the front wheel bearing. He completed 97 laps.

Photo by Ron Lathrop


Photo by Dave Arnold
2535  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1969 Mid-Ohio Trans-Am photos on: August 14, 2011, 11:24:19 PM
Revson, Pickett and Donohue come through turn 8, headed for 9.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Follmer's battered Mustang and the Porsche of Bob Bailey/Jim Locke.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Rusty Jowett's Camaro leads Don Yenko and Horst Kwech.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Martin, Revson and Donohue.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Parnelli Jones and Robert Barg approaching turn 12 and The Chute.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Mark Donohue, also at the same general place.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Vic Provenzano's Alfa Romeo.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Fred Baker's Porsche would finish second in U-2, 12th overall. Peter Gregg won U-2 class in 11th overall. Both ran
94 out of 100 laps. The #72 Hol-Arc Firebird was driven by Brad Dunn.

Photo by Ron Lathrop

Jim Harrell's Mustang was classified DNF after running 90 laps.

Photo by Ron Lathrop
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