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1  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Chaffey College and Sam Contino on: Today at 09:42:35 AM
I asked Gary Wheeler, former chassis engineer/designer for Traction Master and then Dan Gurney's AAR team and this is what he had to say on the subject...

That's a very interesting question and the answer is a kinematic subtlety. The answer is: the two methods of utilizing a Watts Linkage are effectively the same. (After all, straight-line motion between axle housing and chassis - - - is straight-line motion between axle housing and chassis no matter how it's achieved.)  As it turns out, straight-line motion is great when the car is on a straightaway.  But during cornering, straight line motion isn't as good as a LONG Panhard Rod.  Why?  Well, while cornering the chassis has a roll-angle.  For clarity, let's say it's softly sprung and has a rather large roll angle of 4 degrees.  That means any rear axle movement relative to the chassis will rise or fall along that same 4 degree angle with respect to the horizontal road surface.  THAT forceably yanks both rear tire contact patches laterally a tiny fraction of an inch - which is undesirable because any lateral motion of a tire's footprint caused by suspension geometry is immediately subtractive from rear-axle cornering power.

Yanking the rear tire footprints laterally even a tiny bit is no problem on the straights, but it's the last thing you want during cornering, simply because IF you're cornering at 10/10ths and the car is perfectly balanced, a momentary degradation of rear axle cornering power will momentarily move the car toward oversteer.  The driver will perceive the car as needlessly twitchy when encountering tiny bumps in the corners.  And there are ALWAYS tiny bumps in the corners.

Short & highly-angled Panhard Bars are obviously deadly.  Although LONG horizontal Panhard Bars aren't perfect either, a careful layout of the geometry of a long-bar, low Roll Center Panhard Bar installation will reveal that during bump or rebound travel, it will actually move the rear tires laterally during body roll slightly LESS than a perfectly straight-line travel Watts or Roberts link.  THAT, not simplicity or weight, is why I used a Panhard Bar the AAR 'Cudas. (I consulted a bit to Mark Donohue in 1968-69 and that's precisely why the Penske Camaros always used Panhard Rods.)

Parnelli and Follmer's factory Mustang engineers didn't catch this subtlety and used Watts links.  They won the 1970 TA championship because of our unreliable engines, but if memory serves me right, we ended up with more lap records.  One thing few people appreciate to this day - is that our works Cudas weighed 3200 lbs. yet Gurney broke all his own previous A-production works Cobra lap records at every track in the country - by approx. two seconds per lap!  This is stunning, considering both the Cobra & 'Cuda had Gurney as the driver, nearly identical 540 horsepower, similar tire footprints, yet the 'Cuda was exactly 1,000 lbs heavier than the Cobra! (3200 vs 2200 lbs.)  It's interesting to consider how well Dan's works 'Cuda had to be handling for him to hot lap two seconds faster than his own works Cobra lap records - in a pony car weighing nearly 50% heavier!!
2  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1968 Trans-Am season review on: Today at 12:26:52 AM
Riverside Trans-Am overage as found in National Speed Sport News. (Jon Mello Collection)





3  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1968 Trans-Am season review on: Today at 12:24:40 AM
Reserved
4  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Historic Trans-Am Tech Talk at the Sonoma Historics (Saturday, May 18th @ 12pm) on: May 20, 2013, 11:29:29 PM
I'd never seen anything like it. Sure looked interesting to me.
5  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Sonoma Historics, May 2013 on: May 20, 2013, 10:46:22 PM
Here are some photos I took on Saturday afternoon up at turn 2.















6  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Original T/A racing photographs, late 60's & early 70's on: May 20, 2013, 10:14:31 PM
Here we have some very nice photos courtesy of Gene Fisher who took these at the 1970 Watkins Glen Trans-Am.
Many thanks to Gene for sharing these with us.

Jerry Thompson's Owens-Corning Camaro lined up on the false grid.

Gene Fisher photo

Cars on the false grid for morning warm up. Dean Gregson's #28, Larry Drover's #11 and Warren Tope's #70 the most apparent of the bunch.

Gene Fisher photo

A different angle.

Gene Fisher photo

The pace lap with Jones and Donohue on the front row. This shot is taken at "the Chute" which is at the far end of the course.

Gene Fisher photo

First lap, Jones leads Donohue.

Gene Fisher photo

Second lap, Jones is putting some distance on his competitors.

Gene Fisher photo

Here's Vic Elford setting up Dean Gregson for the pass.

Gene Fisher photo

Elford and Sam Posey prepare to go by the Camaros of Craig Fisher and Vince Gimondo.

Gene Fisher photo

Warren Agor's Camaro engine is smoking.

Gene Fisher photo

The Camaros of Dick Brown and Jerry Thompson.

Gene Fisher photo

Watkins Glen 1970 grid
7  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Chaffey College and Sam Contino on: May 20, 2013, 12:42:58 PM
Robert,

Yes, it did. I might have some pics of it on the track but I don't have a camera with a telephoto lens so they will be on the small side.
8  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Sonoma Historics, May 2013 on: May 20, 2013, 09:54:45 AM
Hey Mike, thanks for letting me know. I'll correct that above. I was not aware John Hildebrand had the other car and thought only one of the Owens-Corning Camaros had been found. It's nice to know now that both are still around.

[UPDATE: I have been corrected again and the car was previously owned by John Hildebrand but is now owned by Randy Peterson.]
9  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Sonoma Historics, May 2013 on: May 20, 2013, 12:06:38 AM
Randy Peterson brought out this #3 Camaro on Saturday for display. It was quite a surprise as it was nowhere in sight
on Friday. It looks like no expense was spared and it turned out beautifully. (Jon Mello photos)

























10  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Chaffey College and Sam Contino on: May 19, 2013, 11:51:03 PM
Mark and Linda Mountanos brought out the Chaffey College Camaro at the 2013 Sonoma Historics. It has not been out at an HTA
event for a number of years but they bought it last year and have done a nice job getting it back into racing shape.
























11  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Historic Trans-Am Tech Talk at the Sonoma Historics (Saturday, May 18th @ 12pm) on: May 19, 2013, 11:35:40 PM
Very informative presentation by Brian Ferrin and Craig Conley and I can't believe these guys even had pretty much a complete Boss 302 engine
on display. Very nice job by these guys and some help from Chad Raynal as well. I look forward to seeing what might be on display in the future.





















12  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: John Ware Trans-Am Camaro on: May 16, 2013, 12:06:44 AM
Photos of the John Ware Camaro as seen at the 1971 Riverside Trans-Am.


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo
13  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Original T/A racing photographs, late 60's & early 70's on: May 16, 2013, 12:01:28 AM
Pics of the Camaro driven by Curt Martin at the Sept 18-20, 1970 races at Ontario Motor Speedway, courtesy of John Ryals.
This car appears to be (visually) the same car that Bob West drove at the 1970 Laguna Seca Trans-Am, April 19, 1970.


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo


John Ryals photo
14  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Historic Trans-Am Tech Talk at the Sonoma Historics (Saturday, May 18th @ 12pm) on: May 15, 2013, 11:25:09 AM
Thanks for the notification, Chad. I'm glad that another one of these "tech talk" sessions has been put together.
I thought the one you did last year at Monterey turned out well and it's great to see HTA build off of that. I'll see you Friday.
15  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1968 Trans-Am season review on: May 15, 2013, 12:13:22 AM
You're welcome, Scott. Here's a map of the 2.66 mile track.

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