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General Discussion / Re: z-28 hood stripes
« on: June 21, 2007, 01:14:42 PM »
So it looks like we've all seen them. I'm confident they're real and I suspect we'll turn up some proof eventually.

-Jon

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Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again
« on: June 20, 2007, 05:32:43 AM »
I respect that Jerry has a different opinion but I know what I have seen over the years. I will work on trying to come up with more examples of this and further the research.

-Jon

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Originality / Re: PTB on Los Angeles Camaros
« on: June 20, 2007, 05:25:27 AM »
I agree with Jerry. No PTB stamps used at the LOS plant back then but there have been a lot of people putting them on during restorations. It is frustrating to see but that's part of life, I guess. Kind of reminds me of the Caution:Fan stickers. No matter how many times it gets explained that Camaros never came with those, some people just feel compelled to put them on.

-Jon

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General Discussion / Re: 1967 CAMARO WHEEL TRACK
« on: June 18, 2007, 05:41:56 AM »
It is 59".

-Jon

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Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again
« on: June 18, 2007, 05:20:42 AM »
Thanks for the larger picture of the trunk area. I suspect John Z or Jerry will not have seen examples of this as I believe it to be a Van Nuys plant anomaly and not something that occured at Norwood. I appreciate you submitting your VIN and cowl tag info as this can then be logged into the CRG database and we can use it to compare with other cars. It is possible that it is something that was done during a narrow window of time. There are a couple of scenarios which could account for this to occur whether accidently or by design. It is possible that the supplier for the stripe templates was not the same between the Norwood plant and the Van Nuys plant, just like the carpets were not sourced from the same supplier between the two. If it was the same supplier, the plant may have run out of the upper template [for the stripe on the rear window filler panel] and simply used the vinyl top template to avoid a line stoppage. They may have made a decision for their own plant to standardize on one template for both vinyl top and standard roof cars to simplify things and then reversed the decision either on their own for aesthetic reasons or by Central Office edict. I believe the Van Nuys plant did deliver some '69 Zs in this stripe configuration. This is similar to the situation with the early '69s with the closer ['67-'68] spaced rear stripes. Most people thought that was not legit either until it made it into Jerry's book and now it is accepted. More research is needed here but it is being worked on. I understand everyone wants to make a judgement here but keep an open mind on this one.

-Jon

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Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again
« on: June 16, 2007, 06:09:27 AM »
My main point did not concern where the stripes end up in the back. I realize the angle of the picture I posted of the Camaro on the dyno is not ideal for this purpose but if you look closely at the panel below the rear window, you will see that the stripes do not come anywhere close to approaching the back glass. This is an example of a car with the low stripes, the kind that would ordinarily be seen on a vinyl top car (but of course the car in the picture does not have a vinyl top). I am using this picture because I do not have another one to show you  for better illustration purposes. This type of striping has been observed by me on some other '69 LOS-built cars although a pattern of why and when this occured has not yet been established. There have been many observed differences between NOR-built Camaros and LOS-built Camaros such as the 2Z cowl tag code, the sporadic use of the rear brake proportioning valve, the cowl tag w/o code, the way the cowls were masked off for Z stripes, the start date of the 4P cowl tag code, etc, etc, and I believe this to be yet another legitimate anomaly associated with the LOS plant. I have spent a lot of time, 30+ years, researching Zs as Jerry can attest. I am trying to pass along some of what I have found out because that is what I enjoy doing and that is why I am part of CRG.

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Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again
« on: June 15, 2007, 07:33:23 PM »
I didn't do the link right but I have attached the picture below. You can tell the picture was taken in 1969 due to the fact that the California license plate has the registration sticker in the upper LH corner. In 1970, the registration sticker switched to the upper RH corner and a month sticker was installed in the upper LH corner. This two-sticker method was not previously utilized by the state of California.

-Jon

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Restoration / Re: Rear Stripes - again
« on: June 15, 2007, 07:18:08 PM »
With all due respect to the many people who have responded, I believe the low stripes on your car are correct as an "exception" to the typical process. I have seen many of these lower stripes on LOS-built cars. There was even one in my hometown, a silver non-spoiler car with the same striping, owned by the original elderly lady owner (her husband who purchased the car had passed away). I cannot ever recall seeing it on a NOR car. I have also seen other LOS cars in original paint with rear spoilers where the stripes went all the way down the lid and did not end under the spoiler. I happened to own one and viewed the original owner's pictures of it parked in the driveway when he brought it home. Check out the picture at the link below which has been on Wayne Guinn's Untold Secrets website for years. A picture taken back in '69. Remember that there is always a lot to learn about these cars. Avoid the temptation to say something is impossible or could NEVER happen. This is part of why CRG exists and continues to research these cars. I encourage any others who have noticed stripe "irregularities" to share what they have seen.

-Jon

http://www.camaro-untoldsecrets.com/stuff/stuff_fs.htm

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General Discussion / Re: z-28 hood stripes
« on: June 15, 2007, 02:56:05 PM »
I have seen a burgundy '69 Z with red stripes and the guy had pictures of the car from brand new. Have heard of a black '68 Z with gold stripes and original paint (had P-O-P also) but did not actually get to see the car in person. In my opinion, special paint could include special stripe color.

-Jon

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1968 - Orphans / Re: 8N371017 - L30/M20 engine and transmission
« on: May 26, 2007, 05:44:44 AM »
Unless you have the actual car, they are not for sale. Thanks.

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Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1111266 Distributor - Restamp or Real?
« on: April 28, 2007, 06:22:28 AM »
Hey Max, there are several 07C cars in the CRG database. It is a valid date on a trim tag. Yours is the only 07C car in the '67 Z Registry although interestingly there are a couple of 07B cars with VINs later than yours.

That 7G20 '266" distributor is not right for your white '67. It would be used in a '68.

-Jon

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1968 - Orphans / 8N371017 - L30/M20 engine and transmission
« on: April 28, 2007, 06:01:40 AM »
A friend owns the engine and transmission to this car and I own the original rear axle. Let me know if the car is still out there.

-Jon

Full VIN number 124378N371017 and partial VIN on pad 18N371017

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General Discussion / Re: 1967 Camaro LA VIN number 16 Body #1
« on: February 13, 2007, 08:23:29 PM »
With that low of a VIN, the body number of 001 and the work order of P001, it won't ever be proved but it iis most likely the first Camaro built in the Van Nuys plant. Cars are not necessarily coming down the assy line by order of VIN. CRG has no work order codes for August '66 that have earlier letters than P.

-Jon

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General Discussion / Re: Looking to contact Jon Mello or any '67 Z28 owners
« on: February 13, 2007, 04:48:56 AM »
Steven,

I've sent you an email. Thanks for the inquiry.

-Jon

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