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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct engine paint suggestions please! on: May 16, 2014, 06:20:36 AM
John , thanks for the reply

was this coffee can mask process the same for aluminum intake engines and iron intake engines?

Do you recall what was used to mask off the aluminum intake and alu/chrome valve covers of the L78s and 302 Z engines?

32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Original dealer info for 1st gens is available on: May 16, 2014, 06:10:05 AM
have a question on the missing vins 1969 Camaro 9N508855 to 9N587275

Did GM Heritage check with the NICB to see if they have the shipping/dealer info on these missing vins?

I would think they can ask to borrow the NICB microfiche, have it digitized, then return it.

If the equipment is already set up to scan the old GM Heritage microfiche, they can scan the NICB microfiche to add to the data base.

GM gave the info to NICB back in the day so should be able to have access to it.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 14, 2014, 10:42:45 AM
as far as I know, Yenko was the only one to get the special order 1968 Camaros that had COPO 9737 with 140 speedo, large ft sway bar, special code L78, and other HD items

in 1968 COPO 9737 was called the Yenko Sportscars Conversion
in 1969 COPO 9737 was called the Sportscar Conversion and other dealers were allowed to order it on 427 COPO Camaros and Chevelles
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct engine paint suggestions please! on: May 14, 2014, 07:51:32 AM
on engines like the Z/28 and L78 with alum intake and chrome or alum valve covers.
I know they used some type of cover or masking device to mask off the valve covers and intake that resulted in different levels of orange paint overspray but was the distributor covered?

Did the distributor get any orange paint on a 302 Z or L78 engine and would the dist on an slum intake engine look different then an iron intake engine?

I have an unrestored 499 L78 L72 distributor and has no paint on it

35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 14, 2014, 07:02:29 AM
There is a lot of great info on this site and many thanks to all who contribute

looking at this info on the 1968 Yenko tag, I think that should be reviewed as my research is a little different then this info.....
"(These discussions apply only to U.S.-built bodies sold by GM in North America and are not applicable to models assembled outside of the U.S. Note that 1968 Yenkos and 1968 non-Canadian export models, not requiring the statement of certification to the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, were shipped with 1959-1963 style Fisher Body tags that are absent the 1968 certification statement. And 1969 export tags are often blank on the bottom of the tag.) "

I don't believe the "Magic Mirror" tag was used to omit the 1968 safety statement
I believe it was used as a special order tag

The  "Magic Mirror" tag was used as late as 1966 on early Fremont CA. built Chevelles and some 1968 Camaros with the
 "Magic Mirror" tag have a separate tag with the safety statement on it.

I have been doing research on Yenkos since 1986 and did a lot on the Chevelles and 67-68 Camaros tags.
I found the special order tags on the Chevelles and 1967 Camaros over 10 years ago and at that time I was told they did not have special tags but proved they do have a special tag when compared to normal tags. (not all 1967 Yenkos have it, all Yenko and 427 COPO Chevelles I found have it)

Some 1968 Yenkos have the  "Magic Mirror" tag which at the time was said to be an export tag since it was also found on some export Camaros. When I was researching the 68s, I found the  "Magic Mirror" tag was used as late as 1966 on early Fremont Chevelles.
I believe it was used on special order 1968 Camaros because the  "Magic Mirror" tag has a "ACC" accessory code line which can show the special order codes if needed

Yenko was allowed special order cars for his race cars and hi po street cars  including Corvette, Camaro, Chevelle Corvair Nova and Vega and it shows up on most of the tags

attached a pic of 1966 Chevelle  "Magic Mirror" tag

36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 12, 2014, 07:31:49 AM
I have seen special paint trim tags for 68 Camaro of some cars that had stripes and some did not and the tags look the same with the 2 dashes and no paint code

So on those special paint cars, you can't tell if they had stripes or not from the trim tag but those cars have original pictures one
 showing stripes and the other no stripe

I have seen some police Impala special paint trim tags where they showed 3 dashes in the paint code field which I think was to show
special paint and some type of extra work such as a stripe or maybe the door color was different then the lower body color (3 tone paint )

Camaro could have done something like that if they wanted to show more info on the tags

We know in 1967 the early big blocks and Zs were 4P then they expanded the info to show 4N 4K 4L
In 1968 there was no room to show option codes on the tag (except on special order tags)
Then in 1969 they started to  show more info with X codes and other codes or numbers
they must have had a reason to show more info on the tag
as it was continued with 1970 and later
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Very Original 69 Z28 distributor for sale on ebay.... on: May 12, 2014, 05:00:46 AM
seems like a lot of orange paint on that distributor for an engine with an aluminum intake

38  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Engine photos on: May 09, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
here are some I saved from the Sanford Rev library
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Now that you know what dealer originally sold your car.... on: May 09, 2014, 09:45:37 AM
Its fun to collect the old dealer stuff

my 67 Camaro was from Burt Chevrolet in Englewood CO

found these items on ebay all less then $10

you need patience as it takes years for the stuff to pop up
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 09, 2014, 09:18:42 AM
it is interesting that there was some need to show special order cars with a special trim tag and sometimes was as little info as just a dash (-) on the tag

I have had a special order 1969 Chevelle since 1986 so have been interested in these special trim tags which made up a very small percentage of the tags but can be found when you compare the special order tag to the normal tag

I also research all GM cars and trucks that I think were special orders and have seen some tags with the dash, a dash and a number, a number, the letters COPO, MEMO, AVO, SHOW, and others, and some cars that used the 8 digit Dupont paint code in the normal paint code field

Some 1968 Camaro special order cars had a very unique identifier which was to install the older Chevy tag with the Magic Mirror statement
41  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Factory rear sway bar set-up, 1967 on: May 07, 2014, 08:09:21 AM
 there is some different info on it but from what I can tell the 1970 Nova had an RPO F41 that came out about March 1970,
 used a 13/16 front bar and a 5/8 rear bar, and can be ordered on SS and non SS Novas
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: May 07, 2014, 07:47:54 AM
some of the 1967 Pace Cars and Yenko L78 Camaros have a dash or a dash and a number on the bottom line of the trim tag

It showed there was some type of special order

On the 1967 Yenkos, there was no known special parts or special paint and not all of them had the special order tag
some just have a dash , some have a dash and a number, some have neither
43  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Factory rear sway bar set-up, 1967 on: May 02, 2014, 06:02:32 AM
you can get a peek of a 1st gen rear sway bar under the prototype street ZL1 shown at the 1970 Chevy press preview

44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1969 Z28, One Owner Carolina Blue Crossram JL8 on: May 02, 2014, 05:32:48 AM
 the ad states "Special Paint (a $33.75 option discounted to 26.71 including tax)"

that is the same price I have seen on other special paint paperwork for just the color change

So that would mean the special stripe work was done for free

that seems strange unless it was a VIP customer or dealer
45  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Ideas to share concerning 1:18 '67-'69 GMP Penske Donohue Camaros. on: April 25, 2014, 05:34:47 AM
Jon, there was only one prototype hood. Grump didn't use it on his race car. He used it on his street 70 Camaro that was set up to look like his race car. The street car was a straight bumper car that was used for shows and promotions in 1970. The hood was removed before the car was sold.

Grump was at Chevy looking at engine parts, saw the hood as it was going to be scraped , asked Chevy about it, and it was sent to him with a truck load of engine parts.

The hood is all steel and was hand made at the Chevy prototype shop
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