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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Hurst Shifter date codes
« on: November 07, 2019, 01:24:58 PM »
We should add levers to the 1969 shifter report but I'm not sure if the 69 Camaros should have the rubber on them or not

The assembly manual shows no rubber on the levers.
It shows spring washers which are not normally used with rubber

The metal levers are the same with or without the rubber molded on them

1968 and 1969 GTO and Firebird used the rubber coated levers

Some original looking 1969 Camaros have shown up with the rubber on the levers

not sure if the rubber ones were sold as service parts or something


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General Discussion / Re: 69 Camaro from Caracas, Venezuala
« on: November 07, 2019, 01:03:51 PM »
thanks for posting

The RS tail panel emblems look cool

do you know if the black grill is original or was it replaced ?

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General Discussion / Re: Interesting period photos.... :)
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:20:56 PM »

there is some cool 1st gen stuff on you tube
I posted some before but this one was new to me

1967 slot cars and 67 Camaros and stuff

1967 CHEVROLET DRIVER'S EDUCATION FILM "BE AN A*C*E DRIVER"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-uf0hazLE

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General Discussion / Re: Pony Car/Musclecar market going away?
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:12:55 PM »
the collector market is hard to predict
when the old Ferraris leveled off, people said the young collectors were not interested and wouldn't spend their investment income on them. The old Ferrari's then doubled and tripled

I never thought 1980s pick ups and SUV would go as high as they been doing


this is a pretty good article
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/collector-car-market-buy-hold-sell-classic-vintage/

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Hurst Shifter date codes
« on: November 01, 2019, 03:48:21 PM »
can you tell if there is rubber on the forward levers on the hole where the shiftier rod is installed ?

the assembly manual looks to show no rubber and used a spring washer but some cars have been found with the rubber on the lever

I have seen both types of forward levers (with rubber and without)

pics show the two types of levers

Firebird and GTO used the levers with rubber also

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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Roger Penske
« on: November 01, 2019, 03:31:51 PM »
well deserved as a long time successful business man and race team owner

Roger in about 1957

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General Discussion / Re: Interesting period photos.... :)
« on: November 01, 2019, 03:20:02 PM »
I think this is the "California " 67 Camaro show car at an auto expo

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General Discussion / Re: Why Camaro production was extended in 1969.
« on: November 01, 2019, 03:14:47 PM »
I have the DeLorean book "On a Clear Day You Can See General Motors."

he talks about the motor mount failure as a major crisis in 1969 and GM was slow to take action
says GM ended up recalling 6.7 million cars at a cost of $40 million in 1971

I looked for a reference to the 1970 Camaro late intro and didn't find where he talked about it specifically but he does talk about poor product planning that resulted in getting tooling programs late to the shops and how that was negatively effecting back to back new model changeovers.

he did a study that showed Ford had done a new model change over in as little as 42 days compared  one Chevy new model changeover took 460 days

DeLorean says  the "Fourteenth Floor" was more interested in building a new plant then spending money on reducing downtime for model changeovers

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General Discussion / Re: 'Exotic' Camaros?
« on: October 26, 2019, 06:36:42 PM »
don't forget the ZL-1 Camaro was pretty exotic

it was a hand built $3000 engine option


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General Discussion / Re: 'Exotic' Camaros?
« on: October 26, 2019, 06:29:35 PM »
Ford was working on a Tunnel Port 302 for Trans Am racing
so Chevy came up with the 'Semi-Hemi' heads for their 302
but they didn't make more power then the ported stock heads


https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1305-the-story-behind-fords-iii-fated-1968-tunnel-port-302/

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General Discussion / Re: Why Camaro production was extended in 1969.
« on: October 24, 2019, 11:42:17 AM »
I think John Delorean had something to do with it, He went from Pontiac to Chevy on 2-15-69
 There are books and Movies about him
found this on Wiki

"The executive offices of General Motors headquarters continued to clash with DeLorean's nonconformity. When he was appointed, Chevrolet was having financial and organizational troubles, and GM president Ed Cole needed a manager in that position to sort things out. The new model Camaro was due out for the 1970 model year, and it was rapidly falling behind schedule. Redesigns for the Corvette and Nova were also delayed, and unit sales had still not recovered from the past four years of turmoil, much of that because of the bad publicity surrounding the Corvair and well-publicized quality-control issues affecting other Chevy models, including defective motor mounts that led to an unprecedented recall of 6.7 million Chevrolets built between 1965 and 1969. DeLorean responded to the production problems by delaying the release of the Camaro, and simplifying the modifications to the Corvette and Nova. He used the extra time to streamline Chevrolet's production overhead and reduce assembly costs. By 1971, Chevrolet was experiencing record sales in excess of 3 million vehicles, and his division alone was nearly matching that of the entire Ford Motor Company."

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General Discussion / Re: Radio block off plates
« on: October 24, 2019, 11:30:10 AM »
the way I remember it , before 1979 radios were optional at extra cost.
 If you did not order a radio, there was nothing to delete.
after 1979, the radio became standard and you can order RPO UL5 Radio Delete

A friend of mine had a radio\stereo installation business in the early 1980s and would have new Corvettes all over his lot waiting for Blaupunkt radio\stereo systems to get installed and some of them had no factory radio

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General Discussion / Re: Holley Carb
« on: October 10, 2019, 12:54:01 PM »
your intake manifold may be for the square-bore Holley

The Q jet is a spread-bore carb and would need a spread-bore intake

 I would rebuild the Holley but keep an eye out for a date coded 1967 intake and carb for it

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General Discussion / Re: ZP2 Trim & Color Override
« on: October 04, 2019, 01:02:08 PM »
I have seen some Vintage Vehicle Services Reports  where they have the incorrect definition of the RPO code

The RPO code definition can change over the years

Sometimes when they look up the RPO code they get a definition from the wrong year

The RPO code definitions have to be from 1969 for a 69 Camaro report

here is a quote from an RPO list

"Through the years some codes have been reused. In one year or make and model, a code might mean one thing, then in another year or for a different make and model it will mean something else. "

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General Discussion / Re: 1968 L88 Alan Green Car
« on: August 07, 2019, 03:11:45 PM »
Do they have a NCRS  shipping data report on it?

if not , thats a good place to start

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