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General Discussion / Re: My new 69 Z Survivor
« on: April 07, 2016, 11:17:09 PM »
congratulations on your purchase
looking forward to seeing more pics of it
looking forward to seeing more pics of it
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Research Topics & Reports / Hurst Shifter date codes
« on: April 06, 2016, 08:10:12 PM »
I was the one who said the 4 digit code was a Firebird shifter.
From what I have seen , the 4 digit code was used on the early OEM Hurst shifters 1964 to 1968/69
All the 1969 Camaro shifters I have seen have the 6 or 7 digit code but it could be that some 4 digit coded shifters were used on Camaros.
I didn't keep track of the 4 digit codes but have a bunch or codes from actual 1969 Camaros .
here are some including the earliest one I have and the latest one I have and some in-between.
The earliest one I can find is Oct 1968 so I don't know when they changed to the 6 or 7 digit code.
Would need more data to find the latest 4 digit code and earliest 6 or 7 digit code
108D41C
118B18H
118D22M
128D33P
19D53D
29D21C
39D11D
59D72K
99B35D
From what I have seen , the 4 digit code was used on the early OEM Hurst shifters 1964 to 1968/69
All the 1969 Camaro shifters I have seen have the 6 or 7 digit code but it could be that some 4 digit coded shifters were used on Camaros.
I didn't keep track of the 4 digit codes but have a bunch or codes from actual 1969 Camaros .
here are some including the earliest one I have and the latest one I have and some in-between.
The earliest one I can find is Oct 1968 so I don't know when they changed to the 6 or 7 digit code.
Would need more data to find the latest 4 digit code and earliest 6 or 7 digit code
108D41C
118B18H
118D22M
128D33P
19D53D
29D21C
39D11D
59D72K
99B35D
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General Discussion / Re: CRG Shifter Report
« on: April 04, 2016, 12:43:35 AM »
On the Muncie shifter chrome sticks where some Muncie trans cars were found without the MUNCIE stamp. This question has been around for many years and is hard to say if the car came from the factory that way or not.
One thing I found interesting was back in the 1980s I bought a NOS Muncie shifter from a swap meet. The seller was a Chevy dealer mechanic and was selling off NOS items to clear out the dealer stock room. He told me he remembered replacing many Muncie shifters due to customer complaints of poor shifting. There was a part number where you can order a replacement shifter. It was the chrome stick and shifter body but no rods or mount plate or other parts,
I have had a few of these NOS units over the years, so that tells me the dealers did use these to some degree.
I had some with the Muncie stamp and some without.
I still see these come up for sale occasionally. This one was on ebay recently.
last pic, Some factory installed shifters have a yellow paint inspection mark on them but I don't see it on the replacement units.
One thing I found interesting was back in the 1980s I bought a NOS Muncie shifter from a swap meet. The seller was a Chevy dealer mechanic and was selling off NOS items to clear out the dealer stock room. He told me he remembered replacing many Muncie shifters due to customer complaints of poor shifting. There was a part number where you can order a replacement shifter. It was the chrome stick and shifter body but no rods or mount plate or other parts,
I have had a few of these NOS units over the years, so that tells me the dealers did use these to some degree.
I had some with the Muncie stamp and some without.
I still see these come up for sale occasionally. This one was on ebay recently.
last pic, Some factory installed shifters have a yellow paint inspection mark on them but I don't see it on the replacement units.
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General Discussion / Re: CRG Shifter Report
« on: April 03, 2016, 09:02:03 AM »
Firebird used the Muncie shifter in 1967 and the Hurst in 1968
Pontiac began a long history with Hurst beginning with GTO and LeMans using a round stick Hurst shifter in 1964
Pontiac began a long history with Hurst beginning with GTO and LeMans using a round stick Hurst shifter in 1964
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General Discussion / Re: CRG Shifter Report
« on: April 03, 2016, 12:15:18 AM »
Nice job on the shifter report
I "think" the rod spacers were used to allow easer access to the adjustment nuts. When you put in the alignment shim, the adjusters are also in line. The spacers offset the adjuster nuts and makes it easer to get a wrench on them.
I looked at my sets of rods and some have the spacer and some don't.
The spacers may not have always been installed as they show in AIM drawings
I have been working with shifters for many years and the Muncie unit is a real "Rube Goldberg" design but it can work well when set up correctly.
I "think" the rod spacers were used to allow easer access to the adjustment nuts. When you put in the alignment shim, the adjusters are also in line. The spacers offset the adjuster nuts and makes it easer to get a wrench on them.
I looked at my sets of rods and some have the spacer and some don't.
The spacers may not have always been installed as they show in AIM drawings
I have been working with shifters for many years and the Muncie unit is a real "Rube Goldberg" design but it can work well when set up correctly.
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General Discussion / Re: double copo
« on: March 24, 2016, 12:30:55 AM »
I saw that same stripe on an original photo of a 1969 Harrell modified Camaro
Harrell had a deal with Courtesy Chevrolet to modify cars and a Funny Car sponsorship deal
Harrell had a deal with Courtesy Chevrolet to modify cars and a Funny Car sponsorship deal
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General Discussion / Re: double copo
« on: March 21, 2016, 12:00:29 AM »
they claim it is also COPO 9737 which includes 140 speedometer , 15in rally wheels etc
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Originality / Re: Muncie Shifter running production changes
« on: March 18, 2016, 02:11:34 PM »
I think they used more then one vendor for the Muncie shifter parts
There are some differences such as the "T" that is stamped on some chrome levers but not all
I have also seen that washer on some Chevelle Muncie shift rods but not all
There are some differences such as the "T" that is stamped on some chrome levers but not all
I have also seen that washer on some Chevelle Muncie shift rods but not all
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General Discussion / Re: Clippinger 0-0 paint 1967 Camaro
« on: March 11, 2016, 02:09:29 AM »
I wonder if the Camaro in the B&W photo could be an early 350 to 427 conversion ?
if it has SS 350 on the gas cap would mean an early car?
Yenko Motion Dana Nickey did some early 350 to 427 conversions
some left the 350 emblems on them
if it has SS 350 on the gas cap would mean an early car?
Yenko Motion Dana Nickey did some early 350 to 427 conversions
some left the 350 emblems on them
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General Discussion / Re: Clippinger 0-0 paint 1967 Camaro
« on: March 10, 2016, 06:35:27 AM »
according to this article, Bob had two different 67 Corvettes
I'm not sure if its all correct but is an interesting story
http://www.superchevy.com/features/vemp-0604-bob-wingate-fso-corvettes/
quote from above article...
"This first "special" car was built around August 1966. It was a '67 coupe with flared wheelwells, candy-apple-green paint, a light-blue Stinger stripe (a favorite styling cue of Wingate's), a tube grille, smoothed-in front turn signals, and a few other special features that weren't on the options list. Later, after the car had been delivered, some GM personnel saw it during a trip to California. One of them suggested it might not be a great idea to have Wingate running around in what was essentially a show car. They decided to build him a replacement that was a little closer to factory specs."
I'm not sure if its all correct but is an interesting story
http://www.superchevy.com/features/vemp-0604-bob-wingate-fso-corvettes/
quote from above article...
"This first "special" car was built around August 1966. It was a '67 coupe with flared wheelwells, candy-apple-green paint, a light-blue Stinger stripe (a favorite styling cue of Wingate's), a tube grille, smoothed-in front turn signals, and a few other special features that weren't on the options list. Later, after the car had been delivered, some GM personnel saw it during a trip to California. One of them suggested it might not be a great idea to have Wingate running around in what was essentially a show car. They decided to build him a replacement that was a little closer to factory specs."
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General Discussion / Re: Clippinger 0-0 paint 1967 Camaro
« on: March 09, 2016, 10:02:50 PM »
here is a 67 Camaro shown with Bob Wingate's special order FSO 67 Corvette (1967 pics)
not sure what color it was as the pics are in B&W
http://www.67fso.com/
not sure what color it was as the pics are in B&W
http://www.67fso.com/
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General Discussion / Re: JohnZ's Birthday is TODAY
« on: February 28, 2016, 05:13:54 AM »
Happy Birthday John
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General Discussion / Re: Professionally restored to 1969 Z/28 specs?
« on: February 23, 2016, 09:39:58 PM »
all that money in it and went with a black grill
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Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Old 1960's AC racing spark plugs
« on: February 08, 2016, 11:14:51 PM »
thanks for the reply Jon
when researching them , I read where the 1950s plugs had smaller diameter porcelain and didn't have the ridges in the porcelain but they didn't say what year the ridges came out
they could be late 1950s
thanks
when researching them , I read where the 1950s plugs had smaller diameter porcelain and didn't have the ridges in the porcelain but they didn't say what year the ridges came out
they could be late 1950s
thanks
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Originality / Re: Muncie Shifter Assembly
« on: February 05, 2016, 12:15:08 PM »
I have some but I have more shifters then I have the parts to complete them as many are missing parts