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I'll toss in the M22Z gearset that was not mentioned and designed around a 3.08 rear. 1st gear is 2.984:1. Combined with a 3.08 rear, the take off is like a 4:10. Gear spacing is a little wide for a 4-speed but a cheaper alternative for those who don't want to burp for a 5-speed.

they used to do that with the late 1970s Z/28 and Trans Am wide ratio T-10 4 speeds .
With a high rear gear , it was called the poor man's 5 speed

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General Discussion / Re: Repro tach burned out
« on: September 13, 2016, 01:19:53 AM »

The points run on a resistance wire with about 9.7 volts
on cranking its 12v but runs on 9.7v
many aftermarket ignition run on 12v and don't use the factory resistance wire but  factory tach still needs the lower volts

here is a link


http://www.tachman.com/tshoot.htm

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General Discussion / Re: Harry Mann 68 L78
« on: September 05, 2016, 03:50:41 PM »
Joe,
 would you happen to know if the Part number changed along with the shifters? If so do you have the part numbers?
   Thank you,
         VT


Yes the original 67-68 Camaro aftermarket Hurst shifter would be a different number as it used the old Hurst number system before they went to the 391-xxxx number used today. I have one and have some research on them including original assembly instructions.
It also used a different number chrome stick.
 The 2nd design used an early 4106 stick with larger Hurst letters but looks same as the modern 4106 stick with small letters

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General Discussion / Re: Harry Mann 68 L78
« on: September 01, 2016, 03:22:07 PM »
nice Camaro with interesting story
I see where you are looking for original 1968 speed parts

the  Hurst shifter that you would get in 1967 or 1968 is hard to find.
Hurst changed the 67-68 Camaro shifter 3 times (that I know of)

The 1st shifter was made from welded parts vs the new design's stamped steel neck
It also used a different  chrome stick

The second design used the stamped neck with the early 4106 chrome stick with large Hurst letters

The 3rd design used the same stamped neck with the  4106 chrome stick with smaller Hurst letters

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z shifter
« on: September 01, 2016, 03:08:19 PM »
do they have round holes in the forward levers or the notched hole ?

The original levers have a notched hole to accept the molded on rubber bushing.

From what I have seen some original levers have the rubber and some don't but all had a notched hole to accept the molded on rubber bushing.


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That shifter in it now looks like an old Hurst ratchet shifter.
I had one like that and it shifts like a motorcycle where you have to ratchet through each gear one at a time.

you can't go from drive to park in one shot, had to click it 3 times

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z shifter
« on: August 29, 2016, 02:30:02 PM »
I wonder if the cheep rods are heat treated
The Hurst rods are heat treated (toughened) to resist bending

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z shifter
« on: August 25, 2016, 01:09:36 PM »
Whats wrong with your OEM shifter?

If it is rebuilt and set up correctly, it should work OK

The OEM doesn't have the bolt stops and has the rubber isolator mounted chrome stick but should be fine for normal driving. Unless you are racing the car or shifting it hard, you may be better off putting the money into rebuilding your original shifter

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z shifter
« on: August 24, 2016, 03:11:30 PM »

That original style shifter looks like the cheep rod kit that may not be very strong

there is a cheep repop rod/mt plate/lever  kit for $119

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-69-Hurst-Shifter-Linkage-Rods-Kit-Small-Block-1969-/252233127379?fits=Year%3A1969%7CModel%3ACamaro&hash=item3aba4415d3:g:yjsAAOSwKtlWhX3n&vxp=mtr

the better repop SB rods are sold just rods for $180

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Camaro-Hurst-shifter-rods-SB-Made-in-the-USA-/271848654498?hash=item3f4b7146a2:g:VX4AAOSwqu9VOYoz&vxp=mtr

1969 Hurst aftermarket shifters for Muncie trans always used a thick mt plate and a spacer plate same for BB and SB
1969 Hurst aftermarket shifters for Saginaw trans told you to use your original rods and mt plate as they didn't make an install kit for 69 Camaro with Saginaw trans

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General Discussion / Re: 69 Z shifter
« on: August 23, 2016, 03:32:46 PM »
are you looking for restored or unrestored survivor condition?

you can get some prices on ebay

there are some on ebay with from about $700 with reproduction parts to a restored/ re-plated one on there for $1500

the original rods are getting hard to find

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General Discussion / Re: ZL-1 Camaro Dealer Ads
« on: May 31, 2016, 08:12:46 PM »
maybe 2.7 gallon radiator coolant capacity?

another way to say the ZL-1 came with HD radiator

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looks like someone tried to make that Muncie stick work with a non offset Hurst shifter so they use the offset in the Muncie stick

if you use the correct offset Hurst shifter you can match the cut off Muncie shifter to the Hurst 4106 67-68 Camaro chrome stick and there is no offset in the stick

I did a bunch of these

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Hurst Shifter date codes
« on: April 15, 2016, 04:52:45 PM »
3138 is the Hurst part number just for that stamped part that makes up the outside case

It was used on many OEM shifters (Camaro Firebird GTO and others)

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Hurst Shifter date codes
« on: April 14, 2016, 03:09:20 PM »
here are pics of my 78D2

looks original but has some surface rust

so far it looks like 88D3 is the latest 4 digit code and 108D41C is the earliest 6-7 digit code ?

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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Hurst Shifter date codes
« on: April 07, 2016, 11:45:00 PM »
I have 3 shifters at home I forgot to ad to my notes
78D2
19D53D (same number as one in my notes but different shifter)
690511C

I thought the 78D2 was a Firebird shifter but now that I think about it, a July shifter seems late for a 1968 car build

Hard to say what Hurst was doing with the codes/numbers
with the 6-7 digit codes, some have one letter some have two
a lot of "Ds" seem to show up

I know that approximately in the early 70s  , Hurst changed the numbers used on the aftermarket shifters.
They went from using a serial number to using an ID code such as 391- 4340

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