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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: '68 window fuzzies - ordered Steele.....got Repops on: July 23, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
Steele Rubber Products does not manufacture all of their parts, and most of it is bought from Metro or Repops................RatPack...........
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 18, 2013, 10:05:32 PM
Clem, can you enlighten us as to what the code number was for Evening Orchid in 1969?.........Since you didn't order by name back then..............RatPack.........
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 18, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Motorman, if your dealer and you sat down and opened the color chip book to pick a color, then I assume it was one from 1969. If that is the case then this car was never Evening Orchid, but probably without a doubt it was painted Olds Toronado "Flamingo Silver" code #81. This is similar, but a lot lighter shade of lavender just was what appears to be seen in the picture above of the roofrail. This color was a one year only item used by Buick (Sunset Silver) and Olds for 1969. Not many cars were painted this color either. I can see how this color could be confused to Evening Orchid, but side by side comparisons they are night and day..... The picture of the car from back in the day appears to be this 1969 Buick/Olds color as it is nowhere near dark enough for Evening Orchid.............Just my two cents worth.....................RatPack......................... Are there any pictures of the sides of the cowl panel before restoration began where the original color would have been?
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Verify if NOS Door Mirror is real on: April 10, 2013, 04:15:20 PM
Jack, that is probably a GM mirror, but I will look at the couple NOS ones I have to see what the casting is inside the base..........RatPack.............
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Old pictures of the 1969 Z/28 I owned in the late '70's on: February 22, 2013, 09:57:10 AM
Pace car....needed work!

I don't know how I missed this thread originally......  Is this the car you have now? I inspected a pace car a few years ago that could be a twin to this one. Very similar crash damage, and still sporting the Cragar type mag wheels. It looked like the Duke boys had played with it. Can't remember if it was an automatic or 4-speed, but had lots of options on it.......................RatPack........................
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct '69 A/C Restoration on: August 01, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
Marty, the picture of the car I posted is a 10D build NOR car and it used the plastic ties and had two pieces of insulation on the long hose. Also this hose was already installed by the supplier of the hoses, not the assy line workers at Chevrolet so the lengths shoudn't vary much. Wish I still had the car here to get you some more info as it hadn't been touched when I got it other than a cheap used car lot underhood "detail" (i use that term loosely).............RatPack.....................
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 30, 2012, 10:26:32 AM
Guys I verified that the 20348200 handle shown is still the same one available through GM and all of the aftermarket vendors. It is not correct for any 67-69 Camaro, and it may hit the molding on the rear panels, will have to check fitment first............RatPack............
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct '69 A/C Restoration on: July 30, 2012, 09:14:01 AM
Marty, those lines and fittings are either the first repros that came out in the early 90's, or the previous owner/restorer had them made up. The crimps in the fittings are the style my local a/c shop has now as they cannot replicate the original style crimps or fittings. Here is a picture of an original 69 small block a/c muffler with the original hoses still attached...........RatPack............
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 28, 2012, 09:06:11 AM
Chick, that 20322800 handle was used on 83-88 G-body cars, and numerous other GM cars during the early 80's to late 90's. Wonder if that is the one that was a supercede for the correct handles. I cannot see it working in a Camaro due to the curvature of the handle..........RatPack...............
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 27, 2012, 09:55:39 AM
I dug through all of my handles and found that the backs of the handles were no way to identify whether they were service replacements or not as the recessed cavity was different on just about all of them in some way or another. Here are some pictures showing differences in the 68-69 #9715291 (frt & rr 68, frt 69)handle, and the #9717838 rear handle for 1969 Camaros. There is one picture showing the original handles along with a repro handle that either came from the "HELP" rack at the parts store, not really sure where it came from, just marked CP on the rear. I did not get measurements showing the amount of offset for each as I am pressed for time today. I will be back on here Monday, earlier if I find the time............RatPack......................
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 27, 2012, 09:38:56 AM
Troy, the car is a local 2 owner car with black standard interior. Guess I might be able to check the cast #'s with a mirror!

Chick, more than likely they will have the "291" handles. I would still like to see other 68's that are unrestored before saying they got the later style knob. As this would be the very first 68 with this style knob..............RatPack.............



12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 26, 2012, 10:44:59 PM
Shallow curve. The deep curve one didn't show up until 1969 on the rear panels only and it was the 9717838 cast handle. If I get time tomorrow I will dig some out for comparison, if not, then it will be Monday.......................RatPack................
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 26, 2012, 10:21:57 PM
While doing some research for Lane earlier today, it occurred to me that 69's never used anything but clear knobs on two different handles: 9715291 on the front, and 9717838 for rear. The "291" handle was used in 68 front and rear, deluxe or std interior, with interior color keyed knobs. So that 1969 handle I used for a comparison may possibly be a service replacement as it was the only black knob one I had on the 291 handle. I have a lot of original clear knobs on the 291 handle and I didn't use them for comparison because the ribs didn't show up in the pictures. Here is a picture showing the backs of the handles with the same cast number, but definitely different in the cavity of the handle area.

Chick, I will try to keep an open mind about this as I could only see it being possible in a black interior car only, otherwise that car has had them changed sometime in the past. I would like to see the cast numbers from the backs of each handle.......................RatPack................
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 25, 2012, 08:25:05 PM
Nice pictures. Those will help me also...Joe
Ratpack....
THANK YOU for the effort, information and contribution !!
Nice Job !!
Lane 68 Grin


You are welcome, glad to help out guys.....RatPack.............
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 Camaro Window Crank Knob Color on: July 25, 2012, 11:28:24 AM
Lane, here are comparisons of the 68 knob vs the 69-up knob. Besides the number of "ribs" on the knob the OD became smaller at roughly 1-5/16" from the 1968 diameter of 1-11/32". I checked to see if I had any NOS window cranks laying around to compare to the 69-up one I have, but no luck.....RatPack.......................
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