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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 L48 - 2 or 4 bolt mains on: February 24, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
I have had several 67-72 L48's out of Camaro's, Chevelle's, Nova's, Monte Carlos,  and full sized chevys. I'm not going to say they didn't exist in 2 bolt mains, but all of the 67 to 70 blocks I have seen were 4 bolt. Starting in 71 and up I have seen both 4 and 2 bolt, but more of the two bolt variety.  A couple of years back I sold a 71 SS 350 Camaro it was a two bolt, and I at present have a 2 bolt L48 out of a 71 Monte Carlo. I always thought that it might have had something to do with the drop in compression ratio that started in 71 on H/P engines.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations.. on: January 12, 2013, 12:24:06 AM
As a younger guy in the hobby (31), I feel lucky to have CRG as a resource for our cars. Even luckier that I have (and drive regularly in the summer) my dad's Z28 he bought new and kept all these years. I've often argued that the collector car hobby will die a slow death, namely because of the price of the cars (older guys selling them, youth not interested to buy nor have the means). But I'm not so sure anymore. I do with my kids as my parents did with me, go to car shows, summer cruises, keep them interested in the cars. I feel like the torch will continue to be passed.

As far as clones/tributes/recreations go, we shouldn't discourage that at all. I'm no better for having a real Z than the guy who has a clone. In essence, the guy with the clone is just trying to enjoy the hobby he otherwise might now be able to. Where a line should be draw (and has been for the most part, in thanks to CRG and TC), is to point out the 'clone' cars intentionally passed as real.

And you old timers, keep up the good work. Maintaining the history of these wonderful cars is in your hands, until the young guys are willing to learn from you anyway.

   I agree with what you are saying and I have nothing against clones or tribute or what ever as long as people are up front about it.

   I do feel that in time these cars (67 to 72 muscle cars) will fade away some what from being the hot ticket.  I remember in the late 70's and early 80's when Camaro's were for the most part no big deal.  At the time the hot ticket to restore or mod was 55 to 57 chevys. I knew a guy in Alabama when I was stationed there in the army and he had 3 69 Z/28's sitting in his yard. None of them were close to perfect but all three ran and were easily restore able and in my 4 years down there I tried on many occasions to persuade him to sell me one of them or all. However he was using them to resto-mod a 55 hard top, a nomad, and a 57 hard top so he ended up pulling the drive trains to put into those. Then he parted out the rest of the cars and scrapped what the shells. But that was the way it was then. 
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Clones, tributes, recreations.. on: January 10, 2013, 11:07:04 PM
I certainly don't want to create a long discussion here, just a comment about our hobby in general. I've enjoyed searching through Ebay for many years looking at only first generation Camaros. (And a few other makes and models). I'm just really getting tired of all the clones, tributes, and recreations. I realize cloning is a good way to enjoy a rare Camaro without the real worry of wrecking it, and that's fine. But we've gone overboard. Now, these so-called classic car dealers are doing it. Complete with fake trim tags.  I don't consider them enthusiasts. I find it sad what is happening to the hobby. I bought my first 67 Camaro in 1982 and I remember back in the 80's how we drooled over  Z's, Yenkos. etc. But now, there are so many well-done clones, when I see a real one is kind of like 'so what?' I'm just saying, I think we've over-indulged. Too many people wanting everything. Over-demand. It's killing the Camaro hobby for me. Just my thoughts anyway..

   I agree with a lot of this.  I remember when this was a working mans; blue collar hobby. When a lot of the fun was scrounging around junk yards and swap meets for those elusive parts.  Now you can find most as reproduction, or click on e-bay and spend a large chunk of money and have it. One thing with ebay is are you getting real parts or restamped sometimes it is hard to tell.

   And I totally agree that it has taken a lot of fun out of it.

  As for the doubters I feel like others have said. I know that my 68 is a Z/28 and not a clone or whatever term someone wants to use; and if the doubters don't believe it then too bad because I bought it for me to enjoy not to convince someone else of what it is.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Exterior Door Handle - Chrome on: September 26, 2012, 09:53:23 PM
I'm not aware of any GM chrome parts that were show chrome back in the day including door handles.

  I agree, the sad thing in this day and age is if you don't have the show chrome when you go to a show your original car looks not a nice as the one next to it with the show chrome.
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: luggage rack on: September 01, 2012, 10:40:38 AM
There was a time (early 70's) when I used to see a lot of them even seen them on early second gens. but I haven't seen one in years. Have no idea on the value.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Do trim tag and VIN line up on: August 25, 2012, 02:02:14 PM
OOoops!   "Oldzimers" moment,  been checking out 2 different cars at same time.  Got confused.

I understand easy to do, I just wanted to make sure I was correct on the Hugger orange, my mind isn't what it once was.

anyone ever seen a firewall that looks like that?  The hole for the heater box looks way to large to me. 
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Do trim tag and VIN line up on: August 23, 2012, 06:56:23 PM
the car was originally Garnet Red.

 Why do you say garnet red? The paint code on the trim tag is 72 which is Hugger orange IIRC.

One thing I noticed in the photos is the hole where the heater box/cover goes. That doesn't look factory to me, it looks why too large: anyone know what is up with that?
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Do trim tag and VIN line up on: August 22, 2012, 09:00:37 PM

 I was wondering if this trim tag and VIN line up as far as the dates go? Or if anyone has any info on this car

Trim Tag

 ST 69  12437 Nor 105029
711     72 72 PNT

VIN  124379N513069

39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Northern CA 68' Z/28... Real? on: August 07, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
Mine measures about 2 1/2 inches from the leading edge of the front fender. Mine is a Norwood car but that shouldn't make a difference.
40  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / Re: V1I15DZ DZ302 craigslist on: June 27, 2012, 04:50:00 PM
Thanks ed, i wasn,t sure about. The stamp but was hoplng to help someone in case it was real.
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / what distributor to use on: June 23, 2012, 05:52:16 PM
  I want to get my 68 Z engine put together and running but I not been able to find a date correct distributor for it. While I'm waiting to find the correct one what distributor should I run?  I have seen re-stamps, or other stock Chevy Distributors for other engines, L48, L79 etc. or after market. Any input from those of you running 302's would be appreciated.

42  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1969 - Orphans / 19N544692 (?) V1I15DZ DZ302 craigslist on: June 16, 2012, 05:18:43 PM
Maybe this will help someone reunite there car and engine. I'm not sure if it is a re-stamp or not but hopefully it will help someone.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: fire wall on a heater delete car on: March 11, 2012, 09:00:45 PM
thanks everyone. So it sounds like this car has had the firewall cut at sometime for some reason. It's a clean cut but nothing like my 68 or any other first gen I have seen.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / fire wall on a heater delete car on: March 11, 2012, 07:06:24 PM
I have found what the owner claims is a heater delete 69 SS396. The fire wall looks strange to me as it has a large hole where the normal heater box and blower motor is found. Does this sound correct? I don't understand why there would be a large hole be he claims that is the way they came. Can anyone confirm this?
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Why do 68 z28s bring less than 69s even though 68s are much more rare? on: February 28, 2012, 10:21:52 PM
And then come the 70 1/2 camaro back then the CEO's must have thought a change was what they needed, kinda like 58 Chevy a one year deal. Like a 69 . Anyway almost twice as many 69 for sale all the time. I often wonder what a 69 would have looked like if they didn't can it after 1 year. Was there a concept?

I read somewhere I and I don't remember what book it was or how much truth was to it but; It stated that the 69 was originally was supposed to run two years (remember that was kind of the run of a car back then) but that the new Mustang was cutting deep into 69 Camaro sales so they rushed the 1970 which was supposed to be a 71 into production. They made more 69's than the other first gens but they had another 4 or 5 months of production I wonder how many would have been built had production stopped at the end of a normal production year?

All in all I do love all first gens and there are cool things about each of them and I wish I had a 69 in my collection, but I won't give up my LeMans blue 68 Z  or my 1970 RS/SS 396 to get one.
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