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121  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding 69 - Thanks. on: April 05, 2007, 09:40:52 PM
 The trim tag is ST-69 =1969  NOR = Norwood assembley plant 160376 body sequence number
                       10D = 4th week October build date TR 712 = black custom interior 69B= Cortez silver paint/w black vinyl top
                   
122  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: seafrost green with ivy gold int on: April 01, 2007, 10:17:41 PM
 If you look for the 67-68 Camaro reference book by John R. Hooper ISBN0-9633802-4-9 or if you can pick up the dealers brochure it will show the color of the interior. It is one of those interiors that unless someone is going back to stock people change out (most people don't like green interiors). That is one thing I think that would make it kind of neat to have becasue you wont see many of them. The seafrost I think is a good looking color when nice a shinney. My 67 is butternut with a black deluxe which everyone likes but you will find a lot of them. I get more comments on the color of my 71 SS350 which is white with black vinyl top and a White/Black houndstooth looking deluxe interior becasue you don't see them as often. Either way good luck
123  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: seafrost green with ivy gold int on: April 01, 2007, 03:38:15 PM
 I don't have a photo but I used to have a friend who had a 68  with that combination and it actually looked really good. The Ivory gold is kind of a greenish color it's not really a white or gold color.
124  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How Much Do You Drive? on: April 01, 2007, 03:26:06 PM
 My 67  (the only first gen I have now) is in pieces, my 70 SS 396 is waiting its turn, my 71 SS350 is getting all the attention to try and get it done, and the only one that is drivable is my matching numbers all orgional 80 Z/28 which gets driven weekly durning nice weather.
125  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: LA/Nor Vehicle ID numbers on: March 22, 2007, 10:59:31 PM
 Is it possiable that a Camaro might have VIN N300001 and a Firebird L300001? Being both cars were built at the same plant? Or did Pontiac have a different number sequence?
126  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: VIN to add to the data base on: March 18, 2007, 01:46:15 AM
 The code on the block looks like V0902MK but it's hard to read it has what looks to be the last part of the VIN number under it but its very faint.The casting number of 3892657 is on the block and I have not pulled the valve covers to check the heads. I tried to get numbers off the trans but did not see them, and I'm not sure if the rearend is orgional or not. It is a 10 bolt but has multi leaf springs and I have not been under it yet to check the codes. I will try to sometime this week of next weekend and post them.
127  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / VIN to add to the data base on: March 17, 2007, 03:54:05 PM
  Kurt,

Here is a VIN and trim tag to add to the data base. If it is already in there will you let me know? And maybe who listed it? If I can get any history on the car that would be great. 
                                    VIN   7L104942
                               
                               Trim Tag         09D          A374
                                                  67-12637  LOS 1679
                                                   765           Y-2
                                                   E      2 LGR    3SL
                                                    5 BY

One thing if you can answer it also is the A374 on the top of the trim tag. That has something to do with the production run right? How is that decoded?
Thanks
128  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: March 17, 2007, 03:46:14 PM
  Back in the day I hated them, but I was into hotrodding them at that time. Now as time has gone on I have gotten sick of seeing all the aftermarket chrome, intakes, carbs, wheels, seats, paint and other stuff people do to them. I like them to look the way they came from the factory which is why my butternut yellow 67 RS will have the black vinyl top it came with. The 327 will we solid chevy orange and the rest of the car will be as stock as I can make it.
129  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hidden VIN on: March 05, 2007, 10:40:56 PM
  Thanks for the link Kurt and the help from the rest of you.  As soon as I get the car home I will give you the trim tag info Kurt so that you can add it to the data base.

130  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hidden VIN on: March 04, 2007, 02:45:06 AM
  thanks Tinkerr I will check it out
131  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Hidden VIN on: March 03, 2007, 01:28:08 PM
  Thanks for the help
132  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Hidden VIN on: March 03, 2007, 12:27:12 AM
  Hi, 

 I have a question about hidden VIN's on first generation Camaros. Other then under the heater core box is there anywhere else the VIN is at on the body or frame? What happend is I have bought a 67 RS 4spd car that the previous owner started trying to restore, he removed the VIN tag from the door jam to prime the body and has lost it. I checked the title aginst the partial VIN under the heater box and it matches the ending of the VIN on the title, but I live in a different state then where I bought the car so to get a title in my state I have to have the VIN inspected. If it is somewhere other then under the heater box I might start putting the car back together before I have it inspected, if not I need to get a law enforcement officer over to sign off on an affadaved to say it matches.  Also the sub-frame on the car was changed to a 68 sub-frame because of damage in the past.

Can someone help?

Thanks in advance
133  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: trim tag body #s? on: February 10, 2007, 02:46:19 PM
  Sorry I should have paid more attention when I was reading the orgional post, I was thinking VIN not trim tag.
134  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: trim tag body #s? on: February 09, 2007, 12:28:10 AM
  Kurt,  Are you sure about the numbers not being reset for the 1970 cars? The only reason I ask is I visit the Nastyz28 (by far the best second gen site) site and there is a guy who owns what he says (I have not seen the cowl tag or vin) is Norwood built 70 Camaro 10001 he claims that it was a test mule for Smoky Yunick.  I just copy and pasted his first post for you to see.  There are a lot more posts about the car on NastyZ28 from him and from reading them he has owned a lot of old SCCA Trans Am race cars including one of Penskie's 68 Z28's. To me this seems like some info that should be shared on this site. I hope in some way in can help both first and second generation owners.  His first post about the car follows and a second one after that.

I am the owner of the first 1970 Camaro to be produced at the Norwood plant (Nov. 69). I bought the car years ago from Smokey Yunick. The VIN is: 123870N500001 and yes I know that is a six cylinder car. However, my car was sent immediately to the GM proving Grounds (Chevrolet Engineering) and became a test bed for many of the racing options. It was then sent to Smokey Yunick and he was instructed to run tests on all of the various components for homologation of 70 and 71 racecars. The FIA required that all sedan-based racecars to be eligible for FIA Groups I and II racing have the major components be certified as "production" items of Service replacement item available "over the counter"
I am interested in getting any further information on this and other similar cars--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Second post


Thank you for that info. I have contacted the seller for more info. No reply yet.
Below is some additional info that I posted to another of the threads I have started. Maybe it will start some feedback.
I really appreciate all the help.
Dave Tom
You would think the GM guys would know something. But, as I'm sure many have discovered, Chevrolet is very tight with any Camaro information. Those guys that were around in late 1969 and 1970 are mostly retired or in several cases have gone to a better life.
I did get some good feedback this summer from a fellow that was at the PG in those days. He had no recollection of my car but from the story I told him he said it was entirely possible.
Smokey, told me how he got the car with a load of GMC trucks he picked-up in Detroit. He told me what he was to do with the car. That was to run tests on the car on his 80-mile county road "test track" inland from his Daytona Beach, FL shop. He told me it was a "big block" car with all the high performance goodies. His tests were, as I discovered later, to get the 454 L-S6, four-wheel disk brake, M-22, cold air hood, and other special parts homologated for the FIA approval to race such a car in the FIA Groups I & II sanctioned events such as IMSA and the Group II European championship. I have a copy of those papers. And I have all of those special parts, including the special four-wheel disc brake rear end with the emergency brakes still intact. While I have seen other such packages for the racecars, I have never seen one with the working emergency brakes.

This would indicate that this particular rear was intended for and used on a "street" car.
I interviewed John Delorian, as he was responsible for the under-hood cold air plenum package and other design of the 1970 Camaro. He confirmed that he did mandate that the 1970 Camaro have a smooth hood top as opposed to the '69 cold air hood. Smokey told me the story of how he developed that package using my car and a 1970 racecar similar to the Chaparral Camaro of Jim Hall (I at one time also owned one of the Chaparral Camaro Trans-Am racecars). I bought the prototype hood from Smokey years ago and restored it for the Chaparral Camaro. I also have the prototype Cold=Air plenum that I bought from Smokey.
While I had the Chaparral, I contacted Jim Hall several times. He confirmed that he went to the GM proving grounds to test a Camaro for aerodynamics. He said the test car was silver. During the test which was conducted because Jim was having trouble balancing the front and rear down force on the racecar he was testing at Rattlesnake Raceway behind his shop in Midland Texas, Hall said that they used a 1970 Firebird rear spoiler center section and crafted two end sections to make a tall spoiler for the proving grounds test. This story is confirmed in one of the early Camaro books (I think it is "The Great Camaro" by Michael Lamm). Anyway, my Camaro has the holes that were made for that test, and I bought two of the three pieces of the prototype spoiler from Smokey's estate.
I could go on and on, but I simply need new leads to contact as many people as I can who might know something about my car or any of the early Pilot cars ie, 0N500001 through 0N500017.



135  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: How do I title a Camaro without one? on: January 28, 2007, 04:18:46 AM
 You can go through a company called Brodway Title ( just look them up on the net), they request that you do a VIN# check in your state first to make sure the car is not stolen. Once you have the VIN# check sheet they will send you some paperwork, and once you fill it out and send it back they will get you a title for the car. It takes about 12 weeks at the longest, is legal and costs about $150 with no trips to DMV just to your local law enforcement to get the VIN run. I have used the twice once on a 71 SS 350 Camaro that had no title and the other was a 70 SS 396 Camaro both times it was easy.
Good luck
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