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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: vin removal on: June 20, 2014, 12:16:32 PM
I too have wondered about the cleaning very well and applying silicone to  the tags and rivets front and back so there is no possibility of them contacting the solution.
IF I HAD TO REMOVE/REINSTALL A VIN for a Customer, they would be required to sign off on the fact that they requested the removal and metal replacement and that they understand the value could be reduced and it's authenticity may come into question. I would fully document every single thing I did on HD video, including the reason, showing other hidden VINS and showing the metal work required and then the REINSTALLATION, I would keep a copy of everything to cover my ass in case there were ever a question or he said she said episode.

If doing any blasting I use multiple layers of Gorilla Tape over tags.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp on: June 20, 2014, 11:28:30 AM
I have seen people try this method before and never once seen it work.
I suspect a lot has to do with the original impact of the characters and the depth of the milling.

Mike
Take this with a grain of salt as I haven't ever seen it done, however the engineer stated that "you couldn't grind enough metal away to get rid it without ruining the block".
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp on: June 18, 2014, 09:59:19 PM
Blue is coolest I expect, if so then there is no deep radiating heat and the pad itself is not 100 deg, correct?
I think there are faints of some characters the way it was described to me was the engine needed to be brought up to temp then the pic every 10 or 15 min through cool down. The heat cycle will be completely different and hold longer vs heating the pad directly, maybe a rosebud on an oxyacetylene torch working in large circles under the pad.
If you had a industrial parts washer for cleaning engine parts it may work since the block is completely heated, hell leaving it outside one afternoon around here would get it 120.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 RS SS L78 on: June 18, 2014, 09:38:26 PM
Sounds like Dave Miners old car but his had just under 10k and was not a RS.




I hope to see this one come out a garage... get it!
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Need help/picture to correct my 69 Z28 write up from Jerry MacNeish. on: June 18, 2014, 10:42:09 AM
Those are GREAT pictures!
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: DZ stamp on: June 18, 2014, 10:40:09 AM
The double tap on the Z also leads me to believe it is real.
I read a metallurgical engineer's statement recently that using a thermal imaging camera on a tripod, start the engine, allow to come to operating temp, then cut it off, take a pic of the pad every 15 minutes and the original stamp will appear. Said that you couldn't grind away enough of the pad to get rid of it and still have the block useable. I'd like to see if this works... anyone have a TI camera?
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Fake or real DZ stamp and partial Vin ? on: June 18, 2014, 10:34:16 AM
I have also heard that someone in OH has a REAL BROACH as big as a locomotive is how the guy I talked to put it.
He was asking me about having a block done, I told him there is no way they are going to be able to get the broach to make the same tooling marks as originals... machines scraping metal away wear and the wearing will happen consistently, the broach marks from one month to the next will progressively change, approximating the change will be NEAR impossible given the number of legitimate broach photos on file with people who check and certify high end cars.
Someday we are going to cut out all this nonsense... I read recently that the vette guys are at least 10 years ahead of any other marque on being able to identify fake tags and stampings.
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: OT - Talk about an insane price for a 'Cuda on: June 18, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
Kevin's car... he has an unbelievable collection of the best of the best muscle cars.
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: June 11, 2014, 08:56:26 AM
Mark
Was that the UOIT? or something else?
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 100K 69 Z/28 code 52 on: June 11, 2014, 08:55:39 AM
It is not consistent with other tags of the same week, I have a bunch of tags from the same timeframe as this one and they don't have the same characters style on several of the numbers.  So yes I would say it is a repro.  The body number is also probably the original number though.  No telling what the car was originally now, was it just a color change on a Z, or was it a base 307 coupe.

X2 I came to the exact same conclusion...bad characters but body num was prob original.
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Stripe delete on: June 10, 2014, 03:13:31 PM
This may be another point if so admin please move to appropriate category.
Referencing Camaro Assembly Process auth -JohnZ
specifically Vin Assignment.

Once Chevrolet received the bodies from Fisher, (1 VIN)the Chevrolet scheduling rules and priorities took over, and that process was managed by the Body Bank operators, releasing units (or 2 VIN) into the Chevrolet assembly system based on proper labor line balance and option workload distribution.

John where exactly was the vin assigned?
1. immediately upon receipt numerically in order from Fisher or
2. after being scheduled and released into Chev Assem based on line balance etc?
3. other

72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 100K 69 Z/28 code 52 on: June 09, 2014, 11:28:41 AM
Yes Mark something does look off there...

100k no smog or manifolds that'll run $2000 ouch! I saw the Tail light lenses (x77 didn't have vertical stainless trim), however the correct ones are not reproduced. Reproduction interiors just look too plastic to me.
Really a very nicely done car if the numbers checked out as legit...

I've not too big on red cars since I was a teenager but I do like Garnet red when it looks like that one!

73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Need help/picture to correct my 69 Z28 write up from Jerry MacNeish. on: June 09, 2014, 09:17:47 AM
It's really not a semi gloss, Here is an untouched unexposed place on a 69 SS showing there is a reflection and a good bit of gloss.
 
74  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Trans Am racing pace car pics...are there any? on: June 08, 2014, 02:37:55 PM
Here is Elkhart Lake with a 68 Z (stock) with 4 68 Camaro Conv's The 68 Camaros look to be a mix of RS/SS's and Std SS's the interior color is lighter than black would appear as does the hockey stick in other photos...

https://revslib.stanford.edu/item/qc788vz1785

https://revslib.stanford.edu/item/gv783cg0193

https://revslib.stanford.edu/item/pp345tv1130
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: What's it worth, untouched Cortez silver 69 RS Z on: June 08, 2014, 02:11:02 PM
Yes under 10k would be a good deal for the car you describe.
That being said...  If it is the car in the above auction, it is not in as good of condition as you described, the tops of the fenders are rusted away in the Ebay auction pics. IF the tops are that bad the whole unibody structure is QUESTIONABLE AT BEST, you need a bore scope and time to inspect the car EXTENSIVELY.

Red interior is going to be difficult to get original pieces, try to save the door panels and dash pad if at all possible.
I know a guy who bought a low mile 69 L65 4spd Survivor so he could remove the complete Red interior for his RED RED RS/Z.
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