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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z28 Cowl on: May 24, 2014, 05:56:52 PM
I would do it similar to the cars produced around the date of your car, and the plant your car was produced at.
Early norwood cars were much sloppier and some had a good deal of mist down the firewalls, the black car is a 4/24 production date and is much neater than earlier,

The black stripe cars did not have as much of a visual problem with overspray showing as the white striped cars.
Regarding LA I have little experience in their stripes. 
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 24, 2014, 05:48:38 PM
If it's not a L78 Pacer I can't see it bringing much less being worth 100k.
IMHO the white and blue is a great combo however, there are many people who really do not care for it which reduces the available buyer pool.
L78 is a different case altogether and makes a huge difference because of how few L78's were made (>11k firstgens) & L78 verts were but a fraction of that.
If you want a L78 conv and a pacer comes up, you probably buy it in spite it's being a pacer, where as if looking for a L35 conv you probably pass right by the pacer if you aren't specifically looking for it.
63  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Camaro Z28 heavy duty parts list on: May 23, 2014, 04:52:24 PM
Koni's were called out on the 68 Firebird section in my PHS docs I recieved for my HO 4 spd GTO. I had not realized they were an option previously. They are listed for factory billing, whether or not any were installed I haven't a clue.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation / Underbody color on: May 22, 2014, 10:42:26 PM
That would be great to see the judges looking at an unrestored Daytona Yellow car with a Green firewall...

Ford during the 30's-40's used left overs of paint, mixed it all together and used it to dip parts for shipment to dealers etc, most of the time it was black or dark brown, I am sure there were short instances of some off colors.
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Yellow 69 Camaro Design car on: May 22, 2014, 11:44:45 AM
I know this car has been discussed previously (Yellow 69 Camaro design car with the berlinetta styled wheels and stripes)

The horn button has Z/427 on it and the car has the never released sport shift option, other pictures show a subtle flare at the rear of the front fender and a molded in rear lip spoiler.

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66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Restoration help on: May 22, 2014, 09:32:53 AM

I concur the lines created by the 69 style vinyl roof looks great especially in the LB white combo.

BTW the 41k mile 12C X66 BB has the first style screw with the large captured washer.
The indented head has a S at 12 o'clock and 3 radial lines one at 3 one at 6 and one at 9 as if to split the top of the head into pie pieces.
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z28 Cowl on: May 22, 2014, 08:20:38 AM
Here are more pics of the black car with white stripes showing the mist from the blow in.

68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: May 21, 2014, 08:15:01 PM
Did Motor Wheel supply finished painted wheels (low volume)?
Did the assembly plants mask and spray 2 colors on the wheels?
Perhaps this could provide an answer to the grey back question regarding 69 Trans AM Rally II's (grey backs on survivors assembled at Norwood) as well.


69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: !969 cushion grip or rosewood steering wheel with tilt column on: May 21, 2014, 05:49:34 PM
Why does the assem manual list the change in the 2 woodgrained wheels then another change later in the year did they change the part from Walnut to Rosewood then a different Rosewood?
The assembly manual lists the 2 changes under N34
1st change "was 3937888 wheel"
2nd change "was 3960722 wheel" "was woodgrained plastic"
2nd change was to PN 3952700 which is the comfort grip cushion rim wheel.

Do you have other documentation?
70  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: FIA homologation : 1st gen Camaro in Trans-Am and International racing 1968-72 on: May 21, 2014, 05:45:17 PM
Thanks for posting that article. It saves me from having to dig it out. I had recalled it had a picture of the engine and I thought it had a dry sump but you're right that the text gives no mention of it. There is something at the front LH side of the engine where you would expect a dry sump pump but it appears to be for power steering instead. I guess we'll have to keep digging.

The steering box doesn't appear to have hoses going into the top of it, the two hoses near it appear to be routed towards the oil filter location (either for a remote filter set up or Dry sump)

Also the mounting of the upper A-arm appears to be spaced off the subframe, I take it this is to correct the suspension geometry?
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Engine Bay Pic's on: May 21, 2014, 12:51:51 PM
Here are the ones I just did on the 12C X66 convertible I am painting and detailing. (I used Grass Green Permanent India Ink and an ink pad.)

Note that the light color is not entirely Cortez silver, it is the grey primer, there is only a faint hint of silver mist.
The cowl tag is the original finish and was taped up during the refinishing.

Other than a poorly masked color change this car was very original and had been sitting in Floyd Garrets museum for years.
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Heritage Center Documentation / Underbody color on: May 21, 2014, 12:23:25 PM
Pictures of my '69 Van Nuys 04B underside as well as the factory green firewall - go figure.   Whatever the paint material was (primar or paint), the underside was clearly black throughout with significant body color overspray.  The car is an original SoCal car - never spending anytime outside of the area.  I found no signs of non-factory undercoating anywhere.  

Regarding the green firewall - my only guess is they ran out of black paint that day and dark green was the closest alternative.  
If your car is dark green then the firewall just got sprayed with body color... there was an original 68 Sequoia green car with complete Sequoia green firewall.

73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: !969 cushion grip or rosewood steering wheel with tilt column on: May 21, 2014, 12:16:51 PM

The car assembly date is more pertinent as early cars had Walnut wheels like 68's, late cars had cushion rim wheels like 70's  and the ones which fall in between had Rosewood. 
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: May 21, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
Don't forget the other option - SS five spoke wheels, 14 X 7 AO code K-H's, available up until late '68 if I remember correctly, I've always called them SS-1's. Some people like 'em, some don't, but I'm happy to have all 5 of mine on the L78 X66 12A barn car.

Were yours (original wheels) in original paint?
and if so what color is the reverse? Black or Grey?
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Fan shroud on: May 21, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
you can use plastic lens polish to remove some of the aging.
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