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61  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: 1966-1972 Advertisements and classified ads on: September 12, 2014, 12:49:32 AM
Scott, the date of the photo is correct and taken from the issue of Competition Press & Autoweek that it was found in. The first appearance of the cowl induction hood was on the 1 of 1 '68 Z/28 convertible owned by Chevrolet's Pete Estes. That hood was probably put on the car by the GM Tech Center and not as a production line component but it was present on the car when it paced the '68 Can-Am race at Road America. The second application of the cowl hood that I have seen is on the car shown in the Berger ad. This was a car used by Chevrolet for its new car introductions for '69 and it appeared in a large number of road tests in the fall of '68 as well as some print ads. You are correct that the first use of the cowl induction hood as a production line component was at the end of December '68 when they made their debut on the ZL-1 Camaros.
RE: ZL2
There is a highly documented hugger orange LA Z28 built 2nd or 3rd week dec with ZL2 and paper out the rear... it is now the earliest known ZL2 accompanied by supporting docs.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 z/28 373 rear end inspection marks on: September 08, 2014, 12:07:31 PM
rarely were they the same, just put what you found.
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69-SS-396-350hp/ mstrcyl and booster date codes with in 1 month? on: September 06, 2014, 06:35:35 PM
GREAT CAR and color combo... I love blue and white.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Condensation wicks in tail light housing on: September 06, 2014, 06:18:16 PM
Nice detail shot of original paint and the black tail pan light overspray in the trunk jamb....

65  Model Specific Discussions / Trans-Am Camaros / Re: Fender Flaring On Trans-Am Camaros on: September 06, 2014, 10:14:40 AM
We used to clearance first gen rear wheel wells with a piece of 2.5" or 3" pipe and roll the lips like the baseball bat method.
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: REAR END DATE on: September 06, 2014, 09:23:30 AM
Oct 68 built 1969 Z28.
Cowl Tag 10D
VIN falls first week of November
Axle Oct 31  BV 4.10
Trans Oct 18th  M20
Engine V1007DZ
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 Convertible Windshield Header Moldings on: September 05, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Old thread, however what is the story on header molding finish?
I remember the 68 Firebird conv we had in the 80's wore Satin finished header moldings (don't remember if it was split like the one shown), our 67 Camaro conv had bright chrome, the 69 I am doing now has bright chrome, what is correct?
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 Z28 production run on: September 05, 2014, 02:51:23 PM
Mello's car is the first.... Aero Chevrolet Virginia and raced from the start.
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Shat R Proof Front windshield with no DOT? on: September 05, 2014, 02:46:54 PM
I can only imagine what it would cost you (a company) to shut down the assembly line...
I had deals with in the packaging industry where it would cost me 2000/hour if I kept presses waiting for paperboard.
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Shat R Proof Front windshield with no DOT? on: September 03, 2014, 06:07:02 PM
His shipping date is in Feb.

 
"I don't know why this issue keeps coming up or how it got started, but it's incorrect. Windshields and backlites were installed manually in the plant (two guys with suction-cup grippers for each glass), just like the replacement guys used in the glass shops. Machines/robots weren't used successfully to install fixed glass in production until MANY years later."

I stand corrected... probably started by the replacement glass companies which is where I heard it years ago.

John, was the "dam" material READILY/EASILY available to after market installers at the time?
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If so how common was it for outside glass installers to use the "dam"?
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 coupe window outer weatherstrip/fuzzies on: September 02, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
The blunt rolled end on the stainless is the tell tale giveaway of an OEM piece, none of the after markets produced has this detail correct.
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: eng vin compaired to car vin on: September 02, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
Have you checked the trans VIN? If it and the engine's VIN exhibit the same characteristics they are likely original as the stamps were set a person not a machine, however if you want a piece of mind so for when you sell it then be sure to get a competent Camaro appraiser to certify the car. 
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Shat R Proof Front windshield with no DOT? on: September 02, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
Thank you Rik67 that is very helpful in understanding processes and the accumulation for glass not passing inspection.


The 1969 Fisher Body Service Manual states as a Note in the beginning of the Stationary Glass Section ***" When the glass is originally installed a rubber sealing strip "dam" is used around the edges to prevent excessive squeeze out of the adhesive caulk material. Service installations do not utilize this part. By applying masking tape around the inner perimeter prior to installation excess material is picked up and removed with the tape.***  emphasis added

This part "Dam" is what I understand to be the difference in the factory installation.
It is visible in the photos I showed.


 I have magnified detail pics of the windshield edge, glass bed and sealer in place taken with a macro lens, the windshield thickness appears as 2" at native resolution.
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Shat R Proof Front windshield with no DOT? on: September 01, 2014, 02:40:21 AM
This is a discussion on a TRI 5 Forum....
Shat-r-proof and LOF marked on the same windshield -
Shat-R-Proof" Windshield?
My convertible has a windshield marked Shat-R-Proof in the lower passenger corner. I assumed the original had been replaced. Then I saw a friend's original '55 that also had one. Where these used by the factory in '55? It's also marked LOF and coded, but I don't know how to decipher. Thanks!
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Shat R Proof Front windshield with no DOT? on: September 01, 2014, 01:41:24 AM
GM Marks
Additionally, General Motors itself required several specific marks on OEM glass, including:

Shaded --Added to tinted GM OEM windshields when they included the upper, dark (non-AS1), tint band. For regulatory purposes these windshields are only AS1 glass below the tint band.

AS1 is defined... as Laminated, thus Laminated need not be spelled out. the AS1 classification already includes Laminated Windshield.

Seems to me all the above glasses exhibit all requisite markings...
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