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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Chevrolet's process for having another run of parts manufactured on: May 31, 2014, 11:54:56 AM
Specifically about the Derby Centers.
I hate to make assumptions however I have been involved with design approvals during my industrial career and I know that artists can be difficult.

I am going to assume that a designer is intimately involved with the first run of parts, especially a trim item such as a derby center cap which was released with the all new 68 vette. I believe a designer would have had the yea nay regarding the aesthetics of the initial run Derby Centers because the photos I have of it (vette) being developed show a number of different centers being considered.
How many would have been manufactured for the first run?

After the initial run who would be in charge of the next buying order if the part was going to be used during production? Designers or someone more interested in the bottom line?

How would the process go?
Would a current sample be provided with a set of drawings and would the sample be used as a casting model (to make new casting dies) to submit for approval?
Or would the part be hand manufactured from drawings like it was originally?

47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: May 31, 2014, 08:46:37 AM
James, so the letter(s) denoted interior color and the number the model/trim, meaning only cars with a black interior should have X(letter) on the rear seat/shelf structure, regardless of the trim tag X codes? So for example, a red interior SS350 would have R5, not X5?

From what has been observed that is correct, pretty certain it is a painting note.

NOTE that any interior with black painted trim ie Orange HT, Yellow HT, White HT, Parchment, and of course Black and black HT will have an X.
48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: May 30, 2014, 11:55:31 PM
DG7 is for Dark Green painted interior trim
X7 is for Black interior
B7 is for Blue
R7 is for Red
White HT would have black painted int trim which is why it has a X7
49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: fake protecto plates heard any stories on: May 30, 2014, 11:52:30 PM
totally differnet types of inks one is a transfer like a carbon copy using impact printing, and the other is either non impact printed or written ink, the stuff in build sheets doesn't come out even using lacquer thinner...
My brother in law did a lot of check fraud investigations and he let me in on what they are doing... if you use a ball point pen to write the name and info on the check it can't be done... the impression breaks into the paper, the problem with computer generated docs are that it is non-impact printing and doesn't leave an impression on the paper.
50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: engine stamps on: May 30, 2014, 06:02:39 PM
I know it's a old post just found it, look at the 9 in the VIN. Original stamp...

Yes there are many LOS stampings that look like that, Charlie has a pic of some good examples another that comes to mind is the 9000 mile garnet red car which also has the different size numbers it's VIN derivatives.
51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: fake protecto plates heard any stories on: May 30, 2014, 01:36:03 PM
Yes, there are plenty of fake POP's, along with window stickers (most of the time the ECL codes are way off) and build sheets although factory build sheets are difficult to get correct as the machinery used isn't easily duplicated regarding the deep purple/blue transfer color used. Plus the fact that the paper chemistry is not anywhere close to what has been available in the last few decades.

If I were purchasing a rare car with "original documentation" I would have a clause in the contract where I have the option at my expense to have the real paper work tested for authenticity. The clause alone may be enough to scare off a potential fraud.
52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Zeroing in on X code start up on: May 29, 2014, 02:59:17 PM
There is an 11A car with a large tag it is an unrestored HO Z28.
53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Lower windshield molding clip fittment ??? on: May 28, 2014, 07:14:50 PM
The ones which are spaced along the trim are that loose, when the cowl vent panel slides into place the trim tightens right up.
If you haven't replaced your upper cowl, the holes are there, I believe the screws used to retain the clips are coated with sealer.
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Trim clip and fuel line clip colors on: May 28, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
These are from the 12C X66 L35 conv I am working on...

1/4" return line clip

Conv Windshield trim clips

55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 28, 2014, 12:56:08 PM
Wow, I just knew I had seen one, could have sworn it was Milt's.
56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Original GOODYEAR E70-15 Wide Tread GT, Date Code? on: May 28, 2014, 09:57:49 AM
Anyone have a similar decoding reference for Firestone?
My brother works for Firestone corp and he hasn't been able to get an answer on the 60's era tire codes
57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 28, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
Not sure how many are known.  I knew of one that was in Scottsville, KY but it was sold and no idea where it went.  Originally a small block car but was built as a BB.  Cant remember if it was made to be an L35 or 78 though.  There is also another one that was in middle TN but not sure if its still around.. 

I know this forum is dedicated to the pacers of all years but not sure if they are keeping data.

I personally love the blue topped pacers.. 

I concour and add Blue topped 69 Trans AM convs...
58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 spare wheel on: May 26, 2014, 11:53:55 PM
Thought factory wheels were painted black on the back, service wheels were grey?

CBTN Figure 17-9.
The way I read the painting notes:

PLAIN K-H Part No E-82277 Cust PN _____
Coat with Rustproofing Oil: K-H Part No E-82278 Cust Part No. 3958480
Gray Primer K-H Spec B-3352: K-H Part No E-82279   Cust Part No. 3966934
Same as E-82279 except tape  identify for Chevrolet Service: K-H Part No E-82280

This relates to the 69 AD rally.

I assume you guys are hashing out the SS AO/YA wheels at this point. Does anyone have a copy of the CBTN for 70-75 & does it contain the K-H drawing with notes on it that might clarify.

Does this mean KH painted the wheels or does it mean they shipped rustproof oiled wheels?

As an aside - The N66 wheels were supplied by Motor City wheel not KH

K-H shipped whatever the customer ordered; the assembly plants ordered GM #3958480, K-H #E-82278. SERVICE ordered GM #3966934, K-H #82280.

If all wheels shipped to plants were raw rust proof oiled KH # 82278 and all wheels shipped as service were to be KH spec B-3352 grey then there is no need for KH# 82279 (which appears to be a grey wheel withOUT tape to identify as a service wheel)
It exists for a reason, internally at KH or?  
59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: If Anyone is Interested in a 67 Pace Car on: May 26, 2014, 10:22:21 AM
I have always liked the bright blue bumblebee/interior and white combo of the 67 pacer. The bright blue along with the brighter Ermine white always looked much cleaner, more subtle, and thus more in line with the open wheeled racing set to me.

How many 67 L78 pacers are known?
Charlies actual pace car and did Tom have one?

60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Sbc oil pan gasket on: May 26, 2014, 08:57:04 AM
  Have you considered a 1-piece gasket? The molded 1-piece gasket beats the old design in a landslide. They don't leak and are just stupidly easy to install. Just a thought and good luck!

They are so nice... Wish we had then back in the 80's.
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