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31  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: if you could go back and redesign the 67/8 .. or that other one, on: December 09, 2014, 10:39:03 PM
from the raw type design of the 67 - the refined mechanics with addition of the L89 for 68, the RS trim and large mouldings dressed the 68's out, then 69 was sharper, appeared wider and with the wheel opening shape of a flat top coupled with the gentle tapered peaks from front to rear the car appears to be moving even when standing still...

I never appreciated the 69's until I started restoring them, the body lines on a 69 are unlike any other car...

Give me a 68 RS/SS L89 4.10 or 4.56 m20.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Issue with argent silver wheel paint on: December 09, 2014, 09:28:48 PM
How many people realize they do not have the correct lug nuts for their open faced wheels?
These lugs are impossible to find. They are Stainless capped with a tall crown which will not let the lug wrench to full seat on the flats.

The crown height is the same as the flats, the later capped lugs had a short crown.

33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Issue with argent silver wheel paint on: December 07, 2014, 12:05:11 PM
The silver / argent color difference would be expected if Motor City Wheel supplied finished wheels (N66 only).  (Which I believe, is the theory we are gravitating toward.)

The reason being that as far as has been reported the plant had no way of 2 color masking within their wheel line. 

34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Nice Z28 For Sale on: December 05, 2014, 11:25:18 AM
I love Dusk over Dark Blue... I missed a project which was equipped very similarly a few years ago, someone on the boards here bought it.

If it was quartered correctly 40k is a fair price for a nice combo, I agree it was probably raced given the 4.88's and extra U bolts on the axle plates.

Biggest thing I see is about the interior is the reproduction door panels.

The Alternator is probably wrong, if the distributor and carb are right BONUS!
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Flash Chrome - Recommendations for a reputable shop? on: December 05, 2014, 11:12:27 AM
The copper is used as a filler for smoothing the surface.
They typically polish the copper then nickel plate it then polish the nickel then the Chrome is only a thin plate for protection more and evening the surface color between lots than anything.
Find a business who does industrial chrome plating for something such as Hydraulic Cylinders pistons, or corrosion protection, smoothness etc and not for it's aesthetic qualities.     
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This Pic got me thinking.. on: December 03, 2014, 05:00:11 PM
Ed Montini did a LOW MILE (1100 miles) late Norwood car built after Body Number reset which was in Chicago last Nov, it had heavy firewall overspray too. Ed told me he debated whether or not to restore it as it was photographed on disassembly but ultimately decided to do it as it was built.
 




It had the interlocking redesigned drivers motor mount as well.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Issue with argent silver wheel paint on: December 03, 2014, 04:50:21 PM
Yes then use a tack cloth to get rid of the dust.
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: This Pic got me thinking.. on: December 03, 2014, 03:38:50 PM
Flat hoods had nothing to do with the overspray in the wiper cowl.

1969 Z28 Norwood 10D Early Parked in 1973.









39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Issue with argent silver wheel paint on: December 03, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
Not something I wold be willing risk on the body however it will probably be ok on the wheels, if you were planning on clearing them with semi-gloss there won't be any longevity issues, if not it is your call however my self I wouldn't lose a a minute thinking about it. 
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Issue with argent silver wheel paint on: December 03, 2014, 01:23:04 PM
According to my Nason Rep the paint does not have as much pigment as Chroma series however that looks like no pigment.
The thinning ratios of Nason are lower 2/3 paint to 1/3 vs 50/50 for Chroma one which would also lead one to the same conclusion.
Chroma Spies Hecker and Nason are Axalta Coatings formerly Nason and Chroma (and maybe Spies too) were part of Dupont Automotive finishes.
Anyway here is Chroma
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 1968 SS hood ornaments on: December 03, 2014, 10:25:31 AM
The reproduction Hood stack frames are very nice however the components when inspected with a close eye are off.

In order to make the repros look correct they need to have the areas around the stacks painted silver,
The backers in the originals are Black anodized the repros are black vinyl over aluminum or stainless.
Black anodizing isn't really black it is more of a Deep Purple color.
The wire in the original screens is .040 Aluminum  the Repros use .035 Stainless.















42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: VE3 bumper on: November 26, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
I see now... I thought the photo was of the KL KR bracket attachment and it was of the inner VE3 bracket to Frame Extension bracket.
43  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68z info 124378n408140 on: November 25, 2014, 09:36:55 AM
last week of march first week of april
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: VE3 bumper on: November 24, 2014, 10:48:59 PM
It appears the outers are hard mounted to the bumper. If so that is not the correct attachment set up for the outer (KR KL) brackets to bumper.
It utilizes 2 bushings along with a metal cup and recessed screw.
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Chambered exhaust hanger on: November 17, 2014, 10:15:20 AM
There is a difference between the optional system vs the earlier system rear drivers hanger (at least in the assembly manual) 
The rear drivers hanger on the early system was different, the later system has the same part number as the N10.
The overaxle hangers are different for Chambered vs N10 throughout the entire run as the N10 hangers are much longer, the chambered utilizes only one bolt with a retainer and the N10 uses a 2 bolt attachment.
The rear crossover chambered pipes had 2 welded straps on them and are bolted together on the early system, the bolt nut and washer were deleted in mid January. (original exhausts would need to be studied to determine if and when the change fell upon the assembly line.)

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$2000 and you still have to PAY MORE to get a tiny piece of rubber added to make the hangar right?!?!?!  
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oh no it wasn't even offered as an option...


When I questioned Eric Gardner about the difference he knew it and merely stated it would cost an extra $50 for them to make them correct. I stammered in disbelief as I couldn't even fathom eliminating a part to save $50 ESPECIALLY given the articles I had read regarding Gardner's adherence to correctness.

It was at this point I basically gave up on anything reproduction being correct regardless of the price.


What I disliked the most is that I offered to send him my originals so he could copy them or take it apart to use my white strap, I asked if he needed anything in order to ensure everything was correct as I really wanted the white sidewall strap replaced with like. He stated they originally made them with white and or black and they received complaints about the white strapped hangers so they stopped however he thought there were some white straps still around and he would try to put it in my hanger.
He told me that they knew how the originals were made and theirs were exact copies, he never mentioned the wedged rubber omission.

Whether intentional or not the pictures on their website were not of a high enough resolution to see that the wedge is missing.
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