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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New quarters on my 68 on: September 20, 2014, 11:43:36 PM
If your door hinges haven't been loosened from the doors yet then wait until you have the quarters installed they are indexed at the factory to quarter profile. Using them to align the quarters will theoretically enable you to set them back to where they were originally.  

Sauron did a tutorial here or on regarding the gaps and rear lip profiles you may want to read through that.
Correct gapping reproduction metal is frustrating at best, and impossible if you go in thinking you are going to achieve perfect show gaps profiles etc. without cutting and adding thin strips.
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 20, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
PLenum and header were available in trunk when new... McNeish has a documented low mile one... pushed the Z28 option price to double the base.

Is it code E? Fathom? There was a Fathom blue 68 Z at MCACN last year that was awesome.
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: September 20, 2014, 06:39:53 PM
Thanks Kevin for posting that pic...Did you find any signs of it being mask off on the back side to keep from getting on the argent? I would guess the amount of overspray would vary as well?

I don't recall looking for that kinda evidence Smiley but the back was not painted with silver, only from the front, so the back edges did not have silver.  It appeared to be painted on a rack facing front and the body color being painted to cover the outside edges that show. That is where the overspray came from. There was little overspray on the bottom of the grill.
You are correct they were molded in grey plastic and painted silver, probably before they were shipped to the assembly plants... here is an original RS grille in DETAIL... These pictures were taken of the same grille the same day with the same camera.

If you have a piece of original silver grille and cut into it... there is no metallic in the grey, even if cut sanded and polished there is no evidence of any metallic in the molded plastic.
That leaves 2 possibilities either they were painted argent before they were shipped to assm, or maybe there was a deviation on what Mark was saying in that some type of an argent release film was sprayed in the mold when they were cast (this is my imagination thinking about how else a coating could be applied during a molding process, I have no idea if it is even possible in a production environment.)
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 19, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
same as the dash top suede finish in dark blue.
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Standard Steel Wheel Color on: September 19, 2014, 11:44:52 AM
All wheels were received in oiled raw steel, by the thousands, in rail cars. They were cleaned, phosphated, dip-primed black, baked, then the outer face of the wheel was sprayed with either black or body-color wheel enamel and baked again.
The N66's did they go through the process again for the second color?
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: LOS Special Paint Cowl Tag on: September 18, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?
Thanks for the lead- it lead to finding this link:

Has the NCRS package been requested on this car?
If so where was the car delivered?
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Urethane Repair Product for VE3 Special Front Bumper on: September 18, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
5887 works great, I have used it to repair Endura's
I use and recommend Spies Hecker 3300 Elastic Primer w/ 3100 catalyst.
It was demonstrated by priming a blown up beach ball then allowed to fully cure and deflated... no cracking peeling etc even a year later...

As a precaution against cracking I use a flex agent in the top coat (clear or Single stage), not needed in the base coat.
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: September 18, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Ok here are some photos of Lucite Black Lacquer.
Flattened 10% 20% 30% by weight then taped off and  polished with Meguires swirl remover and showcar glaze

Unpolished  --- 10% at the top ---20% in the center --- 30% closest to viewer
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS Grille correct Black gloss Level? on: September 16, 2014, 06:22:46 PM
That still doesn't help with the gloss level.

The silver grille in the black RS survivor was painted silver. The grille was molded in an opaque bone color plastic for lack of better description.
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / 1969 SS Grille correct Black gloss Level? on: September 16, 2014, 05:58:28 PM
If someone can point me in this direction as far as percentages I would be grateful!!
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 z/28 373 rear end inspection marks on: September 16, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
The rears were painted black by eaton. 

Actually, the rear axle was painted at the Chevrolet-Detroit Gear & Axle plant, where it was built; Eaton only supplied the Posi unit.

My mistake on the location, was the description of masking and lack of markings correct?

I will add that the brake drums were in place when painted and had I believe a push on spring washer type of retainer, (much like the ones that hold the heater cables to their levers) the coverage on drums varied from good on some to non existent on others.
Because the drums were in place the brake side of the backing plates would have been natural steel, some restorers use high heat charcoal grey inside the backing plate etc so they look closer to correct when they pull a drum off. 
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 z/28 373 rear end inspection marks on: September 14, 2014, 07:24:08 PM
The rears were painted black by eaton.  Masked with a tube over the pinion stub/collar and sleeves protecting the Ebrake cables other than that I have not seen markings on them, there is a photo of subframes and rears being assembled around here and there are no marks visible, it is my opinion that it would be restoration graffiti on a rear end and unless documented by pre resto photos I would leave it without.
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: September 14, 2014, 07:06:57 PM
YES the rotor must face the #1 plug wire position on the cap and #1 plug wire goes to the front plug on the drivers side of the engine.
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: My New '68 Camaro Z/28 Butternut Yellow on: September 14, 2014, 05:10:08 PM
It always points to number 3.

The next cylinder in the firing order is 8 not 3.
It should be either 8 next in line to be fired or 2 previously fired

Firing order

You had mentioned FORDS earlier...
Remember Chevrolet has odds on one bank and evens on the other unlike FORD which has them in order. 1-4 on one bank and 5-8 on the other.
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: She's Painted! on: September 14, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
Yes, I usually shoot 2-3 coats, (White stripes 3, 2 for black) typically leave the tape in place or re-mask the edges and cut any imperfections/rough polish with the tape there so I won't accidentally take the edge down too far. With 3 coats after un-taping the taped edges feel "tall" which I slightly cut with 2000.
As an aside... I often tape edges and creased crowns/breaklines when polishing vehicles. 
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