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1186  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Upper control arm on: September 03, 2006, 01:47:16 AM
Looks like a pinion bumper.
1187  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help on decode of BE X44 on: August 30, 2006, 02:18:50 PM
What makes you think that the car originally had A/C?
If the car for sure had A/C then it could not have been a COPO.

If there is no engine in the car... click a few photo's of the firewall (Left side, Middle, right side), motor mount stands, clutch bell crank (if 4spd), and the trans crossmember.

Assuming that it was not originally an A/C Car...
Was the car an Auto or a 4spd?
If 4 spd check for the Muncie speedo cable location.

Also check for the cowl induction firewall piercing... I believe it is 7/8"  just above and to the left (if standing in the engine compartment looking towards the interior of the car) of the main harness bulkhead connection on the firewall.
1188  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Hood Hinge Finish on: August 27, 2006, 10:11:37 AM
Grey Phosphate...
Try this guy I know that some of the Yenko guys use his stuff. 
Vernon Owens # is 864-246-3836.
1189  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Pulley's on: August 26, 2006, 08:19:52 PM
If you are looking for originals try, the site gets alot of traffic and there are alot of guys that have plenty of original parts... the parts are not going to be cheap... OR you can go the EBAY route...
1190  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Gas Cap on: August 19, 2006, 01:34:45 PM
SS trumps the RS option so it should have an SS gas cap (if the car is originally an SS)
1191  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: your thoughts on date code 302 on: August 19, 2006, 02:01:29 AM
If the original trans is in the car snap a pic of the Vin stamping on it and if you can get a better one of the engine Vin that would be great as well.
The pair of them should display the same characteristics.
1192  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: your thoughts on date code 302 on: August 18, 2006, 08:09:09 PM
19N640143 can't quite make out the first number after the N but being an 05A it wouldn't be anything but a 6 and the 2nd 4 could be a different number...
 As to why someone would stamp it down by the oil filter is because that is where the May built cars would have been stamped and it would be easier to pass off as a matching number engine.
Deck a block that has no vin at the bell housing flange... then restamp the build date and suffix code, then stamp a Vin on the bell housing flange, it is easier for an unscrupulous seller to explain that the engine block was "decked along time ago during a rebuild" or "was decked inadvertently but the vin on 69's is down by the oil filter so it has matching numbers."

Does the car have a POP? If so it will have the engine build date on it.

1193  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z28 Question on: August 18, 2006, 06:57:32 PM
Do a search for fake, clone, and z28.
That should about cover it... you will find all the numbers and what to look for there.

If you do have the numbers from the cowl tag, vin number, trans number, & the rear axle numbers please post them and we will begin disecting it.
1194  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: your thoughts on date code 302 on: August 18, 2006, 06:39:20 PM
That block has been cut.
There are no broach marks at all.
1195  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Original style exhaust system for 67ssrs? on: August 17, 2006, 01:16:57 AM
There is nothing like a Gardner system... they fit with no cutting, bending, hammering, etc...
1196  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 17, 2006, 01:12:35 AM
I believe that it would be the PERFECT place to begin.
Something like the NCRS has in place, a standard for every year including common & not so common deviations from the norm.
A judging manual for every year, that breaks the car into sub sections and then components with finishes, part numbers, or casting numbers.
That way the same exact process could be followed on each car, there would be less room for personal preference to bias the scores.
Like an ISO guide for Camaro's.  Grin
1197  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 16, 2006, 09:13:41 AM
The problem in the past with the AACA (I have first hand experience my mother and father are both past presidents of the local chapter and have hosted national and Grand National events) is that they did not learn to judge the cars correctly. They would score a car that had everything painted black on the chassis the same as they would one that had everything detailed correctly. It really put off the guys who had spent hundreds of hours detailing their cars to the N-th degree. The worst part was they did not seem to want to learn either... they have since come around but not until they hemmoraged members.
Many of them started their own Camaro, Chevelle, Mustang only clubs so that their efforts would be recognized.
My dad had asked me 15 years ago how their club could attract younger members and that is what I told him back then...
1198  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 15, 2006, 08:06:11 AM
I am in total agreement with you, if there is supporting documentation... photos during the disassembly etc... photos from when the car was new, then there should not be any question from the judges as to whether it is correct, even if their manuals say that it is not.

What is going to happen when someone brings an authentic restoration to a show?
One that has runs in the doorjambs, scratches in the subframe paint, and scratches all over the brackets and little parts.
Believe it or not the little parts were not packaged individually with bubble wrap when they were delivered from the manufacturer to the assembly plants. HA HA
They were bulk loaded in bins... JohnZ correct me if I am wrong...
Guys paying $100,000 for a resto would not tolerate the lack of attention to detail that the cars originally had, although they should insist on an authentic restoration if they are paying that kind of money. IMHO.

Ok ... off the soap box  Wink
1199  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 13, 2006, 11:52:31 PM
My point exactly...
I believe that the definition of Restore is "to return to previous/former state" anything but returning it to how "it" was built would be a modification... not a restoration. Makes you think...
The perfect cars are what has led to the surge of interest in the original cars... unrestored, they are what they are no repainting, correcting imperfections, etc... 
I would pass out if I saw a car restored like they were really built... It would be hilarious to see the "know it alls" pointing out what is "wrong" with the restoration.
1200  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 13, 2006, 07:12:05 PM
I'll step down off my soap box now...
lol  Smiley

I feel for what your saying firstgenaddict, but an equally valid argument would be that we should restore our cars to factory specification.
If the factory spec called for the firewall to be blacked out to the top edge, then perhaps that's how it should be restored.

I understand the rationale of that argument, however; if we go with that line of thought then there should be no overspray on any floor pans, no visible chalk marks on the firewall (they were blacked out with the firewall), no overspray on the exahust manifolds, or bellhousings, They only were partially painted and then only when it was overspray due to proximity to a cast iron part being painted.

That can of worms is just incredible.

There was a thread on TC where I believe Supercar Workshop restored a camaro and they put the dust flaps on the inner fenders with the flaps on the inside of the engine compartment instead of in the wheel wells. Charlie says to the guys nice resto or something to that effect then says you put the dust shields in wrong... they replied that they were installed like that from the factory and they had the photos during the disassembly to prove it. I believe that he said hey if that was how it was then that is how you should put it back. 
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