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1186  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 13, 2006, 07:12:05 PM
I'll step down off my soap box now...
lol  Smiley

I feel for what your saying firstgenaddict, but an equally valid argument would be that we should restore our cars to factory specification.
If the factory spec called for the firewall to be blacked out to the top edge, then perhaps that's how it should be restored.

I understand the rationale of that argument, however; if we go with that line of thought then there should be no overspray on any floor pans, no visible chalk marks on the firewall (they were blacked out with the firewall), no overspray on the exahust manifolds, or bellhousings, They only were partially painted and then only when it was overspray due to proximity to a cast iron part being painted.

That can of worms is just incredible.

There was a thread on TC where I believe Supercar Workshop restored a camaro and they put the dust flaps on the inner fenders with the flaps on the inside of the engine compartment instead of in the wheel wells. Charlie says to the guys nice resto or something to that effect then says you put the dust shields in wrong... they replied that they were installed like that from the factory and they had the photos during the disassembly to prove it. I believe that he said hey if that was how it was then that is how you should put it back. 
1187  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: stripe question on: August 13, 2006, 06:54:27 PM
The bright spot on the firewall above the heater box is the aluminum patch made to cover the cowl plenum hole that was hacked out by the guy that ran trans am.
1188  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 12, 2006, 02:01:22 AM
Exactly... you did your research and you know how it came.
Ideas are only radical and their promoters are labeled crazy when the ideas are not believed by the masses... once an idea is accepted you don't have to risk anything (pride, ego, reputation) in order to embrace it. 
1189  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: stripe question on: August 12, 2006, 01:54:24 AM
Yea... 18k makes you want to go lock yourself in a rubber room... huh?
Probably went to someone who doesnt think it is nice enough and will restore it. Ugh
1190  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: ***Wanted PICS of 69 Z Radiator Hose Markings*** on: August 12, 2006, 01:27:45 AM
upper is  3956662 JR
Lower is 3942561 SM

Anything you can help with would be greatly appreciated
1191  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 11, 2006, 03:55:58 PM
I do not consider that an equally valid argument. But that is just MHO.
If we are going to become educated about these cars we have to be willing to accept things other than the "norm".
They were production automobiles built by humans... and unless you are my wife... humans make mistakes.
In Jerry's book there is a factory photo of a white striped Z and there is HEAVY white overspray all the way down the firewall,
What would the judges say about that car? What if they were provided with the factory photo?
The disassembly photos of the Sequoia Green car's firewall are compelling evidence that the car was built that way...
When a car show judge says that he "knows" how the car was built, and is not open to alternatives, few of the current collectors/judges (short of JohnZ) were ever in the plants when the cars were being built.

ONCE AGAIN... I will say that if you had a time machine and traveled back and bought a brand new 69 Z brought it to the present and put it in a car show...IT WOULD NOT EVEN PLACE.

My opinion is that if you are going to over restore it... you might as well just chrome everything... both ways are incorrect!
1192  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / ***Wanted PICS of 69 Z Radiator Hose Markings*** on: August 11, 2006, 01:39:40 AM
I am notat all satisfied with the reproduction radiator hose markings. They are nowhere close to correct... it is actually funny how bad they are...
If anyone has photo's of NOS or Original Hoses I would greatly appreciate copies... if you have the hoses on hand and could take some photos with a ruler or tape measure showing the height or width of the characters I would appreciate it.

There were alignment stripes on some (yellow or Blue) I would appreciate photo's of the stripes as well.

I am going to make a stencil, stamp. or silk screen to replicate the markings... I am SOOOO tired of buying reproduction parts that are not right...why bother making them, I can buy incorrect stuff at the local autozone any day of the week AND it is alot cheaper.

Judging by the response on other boards quite a few guys feel the same way as I feel.
I may be busy repopping rad hoses...   
1193  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: stripe question on: August 11, 2006, 01:26:52 AM
Here is the engine shot.. not too clear.
Now for the heartbreaker... this car was raced in regional SCCA Trans Am events from 68-71 then titled and driven sparingly on the street... Cowl Plenum M22 and it sold for $18,000 in 2004.
I do not know who bough the car but I have the contact info for the seller.
1194  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 11, 2006, 01:23:22 AM
I do not understand why he is being told to restore his car in a different manner then how it left the factory. (appeasing judges just to make the car fit their idea of a correct restoration does nothing to advance our or anyone else's knowledge of the vehicles and their subtle differences)
Everyone is continuosly learning more and more... If it left the factory with a Sequoia oversprayed firewall then that is how it should be restored... to hell with the judges.

I'll step down off my soap box now...
1195  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: your thoughts on date code 302 on: August 10, 2006, 06:19:57 PM
Possible Yes... Plausible No
1196  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: stripe question on: August 10, 2006, 10:19:11 AM
There was a 69 Z on ebay recently that was Burgundy with red stripes...
Red stripes were only available on the burgundy cars...

Here is the 8000 original mile original paint Sequoia Green 68 Z28.
1197  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Transmission, Rear End and Trim tag on: August 10, 2006, 10:14:21 AM
Yes that would be pretty rare... 4.56 rear would have been special order... obviously destined for serious street racing or the drag strip.
1198  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 Z-28 Tires on: July 31, 2006, 09:04:38 PM
I will sacrifice driveablilty or the look...
If someone would get something close in a radial it would be nice though!
1199  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: anyone else use the Gardner Chambered Exhaust on a Z? on: July 31, 2006, 09:01:51 PM
If you are going to add a cross over then why even have an original exhaust system?
Do you have an operational smog system on the car?
I have heard that they cause an awful popping and post ignition of unburnt fuel in the xhaust pipes.
1200  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original inspection paint marks on underbody on: July 31, 2006, 08:58:20 PM
They were all pretty muh different... only put back on what you found during the restoration!
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