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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Bolt for front wheel fender mouldings on: September 28, 2014, 05:22:30 AM
The part number in the AIM is the same for the horns, the zinc plated pinch point with captured serrated washer. I have seen unrestored cars both ways, however Steve Shaugers 14 k mile RS/SS has the Zinc ones as did the unrestored 45k miles RS/Z we had certified in 2007 both were 04C builds.





The way I understand  the AIM it is only correct for Z22 and Z23 cars. The standard no wheel opening trim cars used the regular bolt.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 23, 2014, 12:12:06 AM
I've seen quite a few MO's with individual VIN characters hand stamped.
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 22, 2014, 10:25:20 PM
Same color as my 68z. Very rare only on early cars built before Jan. The fathom blue z at MCACN was mine. John
Beautiful car... first time I had seen a 68 painted the color I was stunned, so much so I forgot to take pictures of it.

I have seen original blocks that had the suffix changed and were delivered new as such, the last I saw was a survivor 71 or 72 LT1 vette can't remember if it was ground or obliterated with XXX and new above it? 
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: '69 Z/28 Stripes applied backwards? on: September 22, 2014, 01:49:52 PM
Way too early for the Comfort Grip wheel, looks like one piece kick panels, wrong window cranks black knobs, cowl hood in all likelyhood shouldn't be there.
Color is nice but closer to Electron Blue off the C5 vette.
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Standard Steel Wheel Color on: September 22, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
All wheels were received in oiled raw steel, by the thousands, in rail cars. They were cleaned, phosphated, dip-primed black, baked, then the outer face of the wheel was sprayed with either black or body-color wheel enamel and baked again.
The N66's did they go through the process again for the second color?

I believe the short-lived N66 wheels were an exception; there was no way to paint the second color in the plant, so they were received painted. The wheel paint conveyor was a single, long continuous loop of overhead conveyor that went from the wheel receiving area downstairs adjacent to the rail dock to the Bonderite/phosphate system and bake oven upstairs to the flow-coat black primer system and bake oven to the topcoat spray booth to the bake oven and back downstairs to the wheel & tire mounting area for drop-off, and then to the wheel receiving/loading area to pick up more wheels for another cycle.

John,
THANK YOU  for the confirmation, that is what I had believed since beginning to research the N66's. I thought the possibility did exist that they may have come in primed with one color and the masks installed, however that would negate the whole prep part.
It also explains why the original N66's observed have gray on the backs.
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1968 z/28 373 rear end inspection marks on: September 21, 2014, 11:56:20 PM
first painted ones I've seen... goes to show you just redo what you find.
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: New quarters on my 68 on: September 20, 2014, 11:43:36 PM
If your door hinges haven't been loosened from the doors yet then wait until you have the quarters installed they are indexed at the factory to quarter profile. Using them to align the quarters will theoretically enable you to set them back to where they were originally.  

Sauron did a tutorial here or on camaros.net regarding the gaps and rear lip profiles you may want to read through that.
Correct gapping reproduction metal is frustrating at best, and impossible if you go in thinking you are going to achieve perfect show gaps profiles etc. without cutting and adding thin strips.
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 68 RS Z28 - opinions please on: September 20, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
PLenum and header were available in trunk when new... McNeish has a documented low mile one... pushed the Z28 option price to double the base.

Bergy,
Is it code E? Fathom? There was a Fathom blue 68 Z at MCACN last year that was awesome.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Grille color on a X44? on: September 20, 2014, 06:39:53 PM
Thanks Kevin for posting that pic...Did you find any signs of it being mask off on the back side to keep from getting on the argent? I would guess the amount of overspray would vary as well?

I don't recall looking for that kinda evidence Smiley but the back was not painted with silver, only from the front, so the back edges did not have silver.  It appeared to be painted on a rack facing front and the body color being painted to cover the outside edges that show. That is where the overspray came from. There was little overspray on the bottom of the grill.
You are correct they were molded in grey plastic and painted silver, probably before they were shipped to the assembly plants... here is an original RS grille in DETAIL... These pictures were taken of the same grille the same day with the same camera.







If you have a piece of original silver grille and cut into it... there is no metallic in the grey, even if cut sanded and polished there is no evidence of any metallic in the molded plastic.
That leaves 2 possibilities either they were painted argent before they were shipped to assm, or maybe there was a deviation on what Mark was saying in that some type of an argent release film was sprayed in the mold when they were cast (this is my imagination thinking about how else a coating could be applied during a molding process, I have no idea if it is even possible in a production environment.)
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Z/28 X77 garage/barn find on: September 19, 2014, 07:43:31 PM
same as the dash top suede finish in dark blue.
11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Standard Steel Wheel Color on: September 19, 2014, 11:44:52 AM
All wheels were received in oiled raw steel, by the thousands, in rail cars. They were cleaned, phosphated, dip-primed black, baked, then the outer face of the wheel was sprayed with either black or body-color wheel enamel and baked again.
The N66's did they go through the process again for the second color?
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: LOS Special Paint Cowl Tag on: September 18, 2014, 07:41:12 PM
I thought the orange from the factory was from the GM truck fleet line .?.  It's that what Dana used?
Thanks for the lead- it lead to finding this link:

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/Supercars/68Dana


Has the NCRS package been requested on this car?
If so where was the car delivered?
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Urethane Repair Product for VE3 Special Front Bumper on: September 18, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
5887 works great, I have used it to repair Endura's
I use and recommend Spies Hecker 3300 Elastic Primer w/ 3100 catalyst.
It was demonstrated by priming a blown up beach ball then allowed to fully cure and deflated... no cracking peeling etc even a year later...

As a precaution against cracking I use a flex agent in the top coat (clear or Single stage), not needed in the base coat.
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: black on tailpan on ss cars on: September 18, 2014, 12:36:58 PM
Ok here are some photos of Lucite Black Lacquer.
Flattened 10% 20% 30% by weight then taped off and  polished with Meguires swirl remover and showcar glaze



















Unpolished  --- 10% at the top ---20% in the center --- 30% closest to viewer
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 1969 SS Grille correct Black gloss Level? on: September 16, 2014, 06:22:46 PM
That still doesn't help with the gloss level.

BTW
The silver grille in the black RS survivor was painted silver. The grille was molded in an opaque bone color plastic for lack of better description.
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