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46  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 10, 2012, 12:17:35 PM
Danny,
You didn't have him show the VIN to you when you bought it?
It was also on ebay before that, btw.

The pad stamping hasn't changed the whole time. The only issue is Jerry couldn't find the VIN when he inspected it for you. Which has to be frustrating, but it happens.

Kurt.....I bought the car without seeing it. When I couldn't find it is when I called Jerry in on it. It wasn't a big deal to me since the car was Canadian documented and I got it bought right. I was just trying to further document it by having Jerry look at it. Once I saw it back on eBay with VIN it all seemed to strange.
47  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 10, 2012, 10:38:23 AM
When the car was sold on ebay before Danny bought it, the car was noted by the seller as having a VIN by the oil filter.
Jerry's report for Danny basically says he couldn't find it. I can't answer for Jerry, but as anyone who has looked for the VIN down there, it can be hard to see.
His second report noted the VIN. Maybe they pulled the motor, don't know.
But what I see is an updated report with confirmed VIN location, not in conflict with the first one. If the VIN suddenly appeared on the deck, then there would obviously be an issue.

Guys,
I'd rather the accusatory tone stopped. If you have a question like this, just send an email to Jerry and ask him to comment here.



OK......here's the deal. I bought it from the guy on eBay. He did state there was a VIN. No pictures! I could not find a VIN. Jerry could not find a VIN. Now there is a VIN. End of story!
48  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 09, 2012, 02:07:34 PM
Danny,

Just curious... Do you have pictures of the VIN tag and the unstamped pad when you owned the car?  Have you contacted Jerry about this recently?

No pictures. The pad was only stamped with assembly date. The only contact with Jerry was I emailed him to get a copy of report since I gave mine up when I sold the car. At that time I told him about the car being on eBay and now having a VIN stamped by the filter. Also reminded him we found none when he did inspection. He had no comment on it and just sent me the report. I emailed him in late April and he didn't respond until early June.
49  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 09, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
Hey Danny
I didn't know restoring meant stamping numbers? Did they get it from the person you sold it to or you have any ideas?

I think they bought it from the dealer I sold it to.
50  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 09, 2012, 10:44:30 AM
also Kurt says he noted years ago that it had the original vin stamped block. How many years ago did you own it? How many years ago did Kurt observe an original stamped block???
I owned the car in 2008. This dealer has had this car for some time now. When they first put it on the market I emailed them and told them it wasn't confirmed as a numbers car. Here is the email and their response.

From: lcmc To: rkmotorscharlotte Subject: Other: lcmc sent a message about Chevrolet : Camaro Z/28 #280910431438 Sent Date: Jun-28-12 21:57:42 PDT

Dear rkmotorscharlotte,

I owned that car a few years ago. Jerry McNeish did an inspection on the car to verify numbers matching. The car is early enough that it should have had the VIN on the engine pad and also no numbers were on the engine near the oil filter like there are now. Just wanted to make you aware that since I sold the car that someone has stamped numbers there. There are lots of restamped cars out there now. I know of one in my area bought by a dealer at a Mecum Auction that is totally fake with restamping and repro trim tag. He now has to take things to court. I can verify that the car you have is real but can't be guaranteed to have the original engine. If I were you I would find out who stamped the engine because you may end up being sued if someone buys it and finds out it has been stamped recently.

- lcmc


Dear lcmc,

When you say you owned the car a few years ago, was that before or after it was restored by RK Collection in Concord, NC?

- rkmotorscharlotte

Now why would they reply asking me that? They restored the car and still have it. My email to them was on June 28 2012. Look at the date of the inspection they had done. Looks to me like Aug. 8 2012. So once I called them out on it they had Jerry do a new inspection.

51  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 11:40:26 PM
Yes. I checked also and was with him when he did the report. No VIN there. As far as I'm concerned the report isn't worth the paper it's printed on! What a waste!
52  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 10:23:13 PM
On Danny's original report it just states "No VIN on deck". It said nothing about the oil filter area. Either no one looked for the VIN by the oil filter or it was added after Danny sold the car. Very confusing.

Jerry checked by the filter and there was no VIN. That is what pisses me off now is that he suddenly finds a VIN there and verifies it as original. It was not there so obviously it was stamped there after I sold the car.
53  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 02:25:58 PM
Danny,
I sent the report to you via e-mail. Check it out and see what you think.

Rick

I sent you my report. See what you think. They both are close other than it all at once having a VIN now and not then.
54  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 01:28:55 PM
Danny,

Were you able to pull up the report and compare it with yours? Were there many discrepancy's beside the engine. Did Jerry state there was no vin stamping on the block in your report? 

Their report is hard to read in the pictures so couldn't compare to much. Jerry only stated in my report that there was no VIN stamped on the pad and that is where it should be for a car of that build date. He did not find one near filter at that time but did not mention that in the report. He said he could not confirm nor deny it was an original engine but it was possible. So at that time it was not documented as an original engine car.
55  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 12:20:50 PM
Not sure what is going on. How can Jerry change his tune on this car. No VIN on engine in 08. Now there is one. All at once this car is an original engine car when before it may or may not be. Thankfully I got all the money when I sold the car even though I had to sell it as a non numbers car because of the report in 08.
56  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
They posted the entire report so compare yours to theirs I am sure Jerry was well aware of your inspection, looks like a nice car did you have it painted? thanks Darrell
Car was painted when I bought it. Looks like they did a cosmetic restoration since I had it. I can't seem to enlarge photos so I can read their report and compare it to mine.
57  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 08, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
I'll give my opinion - block is OK. I had it noted the VIN was by the oil filter many years ago.
Trans is not original. It didn't have the original trans years ago, but did the lizard tail thing and regrew one.

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Why then was the VIN not near the oil filter when Jerry looked at it when I owned it? That was in 2008. Plus Jerry's comment "Can I say that this is definitely the original engine to this vehicle? I can neither confirm nor deny it's authenticity." Plus why did Jerry think the trans was original in 2008?
58  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 07, 2012, 03:44:58 PM
Looks like they had Jerry recertify the car. I'd like to compare the certifications to see the difference between them.
59  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 07, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
Was the trans orig? That stamp doesn't look so good!

Jerry stated that the assembly date spacing did not look right but the VIN looked good so he thought the trans was original.
60  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Sick of seeing this Z on ebay on: December 07, 2012, 11:54:52 AM
My point being is this Z had no VIN on the block anywhere. Now it has. Also Jerry pointed out that most with this date had VIN on pad which it doesn't.
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