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61  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 22, 2013, 07:06:57 PM
I grew up near a Chevy dealer in the '60s and am familiar with Evening Orchid; I expect Jerry is too. Neither of us saw it during our lengthy examination of this car prior to restoration. I'm sure that was what you ordered; what you got was something else. What we saw was much lighter than EO.

There is no question in my mind this car was not EO when new so there will never be an apology.
I grew up near a Chevy dealer in the '60s and am familiar with Evening Orchid; I expect Jerry is too. Neither of us saw it during our lengthy examination of this car prior to restoration. I'm sure that was what you ordered; what you got was something else. What we saw was much lighter than EO.

There is no question in my mind this car was not EO when new so there will never be an apology.
there is only 2 guys here who saw the car and says it was not EO but i can produce lot more people who saw this car back in the day and know what color it was. do you believe i am that stupid that i did not know what color i received ?  your opinion is just a opinion and mine is fact.
62  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 22, 2013, 03:15:37 PM
I'm not covering for anyone. Several people *did* see original paint that was left.
the people you say saw the original paint most likely never seen EO or they would have recognized the color . the picture of the inside of the door with the panel pull back should be proof enough of the color. you guys can bar me from the site but i think enough people here agree with me now jerry made a mistake plain and simple and he should be man enough to admit it. 
63  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 22, 2013, 07:59:43 AM
Clem, I don't think anyone here is trying to devalue the car or protect Jerry, during his inspection Jerry still did confirm this was a numbers matching '69 Z28 and that is great news. We had an opportunity to chat a few weeks ago and I found you to be a very pleasant car guy, you definitely knew your stuff and did not seem like someone who would forget most facts especially the color of this car,  you were very clear in our conversation about the color and how you ordered the car. Wish we could just get away from this paint discussion and focus on a very cool restoration of a '69Z.


i find it very interesting when a special car shows up the experts say that is not posiable. my friend had a 1969 ZL-1 corvette with auto trans and when he decided to come public with the car the experts went nuts saying the car was fake. i worked on the car when it was brand new in 1969 and i knew what a ZL-1 engine was.
64  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 22, 2013, 07:28:23 AM
Clem,
I completely believe that is how you ordered it and what you ordered.
From people that actually saw the paint, I'm not convinced that what was received.
At this point, I don't think there's any original paint to compare to, so we'll never know. Smiley
quote]i knew what EO looked like  because i had seen 1965 chevys that color,that is what i wanted and that is what i received. i know you guys are trying to cover for jerry but he was flat out wrong and he did not see the original paint. why would i pick EO out of thin air to tell the new owner Huh there is no way the dealer could order a car a certain color and GM paint it a different color without notifying the dealer. i hope you guys are not trying to devalue the car just to protect jerry.
65  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 21, 2013, 04:36:14 PM
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that is why when i ordered the car i specified EO to the dealer because i was familiar with 65 impalas that color.
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you order by the color code number not the color name

So did you order it by the color name or by the paint sample and code in the book?  Paint samples in books do not always look EXACTLY like
they do on a car.  I am not trying to argue, just trying to get the story straight.
i picked the color EO from the book and the dealer does the ordering. i know that options are ordered by the code number.
66  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: It's Baack-----2014 Z28 on: April 20, 2013, 06:37:12 PM
From what I have heard be prepared to pay 70k +
with pickups costing $50/60K sounds like  a bargain
67  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 20, 2013, 07:25:01 AM

When you ordered it, how did you specify the color to the dealer?

In 1985, I was shopping for a new Chevy pick up in a shade of green. No greens were offered in the RPO list that year. My regular dealer said no problem, if I was able to wait for a special order. He brought out a large GM book, flipped open to a page of green paint chips and said pick the color you want.  I made my choice and did have to wait for an extended time to get my truck. I happened to see my truck on the carrier going down the freeway being delivered to my dealer. It was a standout next to the other drab earth tones offered that year. 
Remember this was in 1985, computerized ordering and such and I got what I wanted. I'm sure GM was much more  flexible in 69.
I still have my green pickup by the way!
Bob
yep that was how it was done if you worked with a dealer who cared about his customers not just making $$$
68  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 20, 2013, 07:22:04 AM
The 'wild' Chrysler colors (Plum Crazy, LemonLime, etc) were not introduced until the 1970 model year.  I don't recall a 'purple' factory color from any of the manufacturers prior to 1970

Let's not forget the 1967 Camaro available with Royal Plum, which is considered a purple.

i built a 430 cu in tunnel ram drag engine for a camaro that was that color
69  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 02:01:32 PM
both stripes delete and special paint. my 68 Z/28 and my 70 454/450HP were stripes delete as i like stealth cars. remember these were the days you paid for your car street racing so you did not want to show your hand.
70  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 12:32:48 PM
Seeing the color shot of the car being painted brought back a lot of memories for me - my dad had a '65 Impala in this same color -  we called it the Purple Panther - eventually traded it for a '68 Impala Custom Coupe in Gold/Black VT. Never forgot the color -

Over the years, I have seen several '65 Impalas restored with this code - I used to flinch when I saw it, but have actually started to appreciate it. Certainly unique -

Steve
that is why when i ordered the car i specified EO to the dealer because i was familiar with 65 impalas that color. it looked purple to me. but i the wife wanted something along the lines of mopar plum crazy so she was not happy with her purple car. back then we had purple rooms in our house and the wife wore a lot of purple outfits.
71  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 11:34:15 AM
So is it at least POSSIBLE that you ordered what you THOUGHT was this Evening Orchid color, but it was really that Olds silver color?  Because the Olds color does have a VERY SLIGHT lavender hue to it.  And this was 44 years ago.  

I mean if you were just looking at a book and ordering a color, you might have mistaken one color for another - right?
NO my eye sight was very good back then so i knew what color the i was ordering. the only similarity between the colors you are referring to is they are both metallic.  i never heard of the olds color. i still can't believe you guys would take the word of someone who was guess as to the color vs the person who orderd and owned the car. people make mistakes and jerry made one. also EO was used on chevy products not the olds colors. why would i order a different silver color when my wife wanted a purple car that turned out not to be purple enough for her. Grin
72  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 10:28:27 AM
back in the trans am days i would go to the races as a guest of chevy and they would send me over to the ford pits to see what i could find out. i remember reporting back one time that bud moores mercury's had a oil pan failure,the oil pan failed to hold in the parts that came loose in the engine.   Grin
73  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 09:53:16 AM
question how many guys here on the site owned a new 69 Z/28 ?
74  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 09:19:28 AM
a lot of time when i ordered a new car i never went to the dealership i would just call my friend on the phone and tell him what i wanted and to call when it came in. he would sometimes hold the order for a week or so because he knew i might change my mind about the color. Grin
75  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: my 69 Z being restored on: April 19, 2013, 08:31:46 AM
Clem, can you enlighten us as to what the code number was for Evening Orchid in 1969?.........Since you didn't order by name back then..............RatPack.........
i have no idea as that was 40+ YEARS AGO. you will have to check with people who paint cars for a living. i built race engines and did not paint cars.
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