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3091  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 28, 2007, 12:14:45 AM
Jeff,
I clearly defined what factory meant. Please define "Chevrolet Delivered".

Since the 67 Track cars were delivered to the race as L35's, and that was the first time they were released from production, by GM
In my mind that is what they are  - L35's --Sorry if this upsets anyone.
Those are two conflicting statements.
#90 and #92 were built (released) by production as factory L78 cars.
They were then modified by Chevrolet Engineering to L35/M40 cars.
That doesn't change the fact that they left the factory as L78 cars.

Let's keep Grumpy's car out of this topic. The pacers are the topic.
3092  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 10:47:29 PM
Jeff,
Slow down.
No way Steve - those 2 track cars were not L78's.
Chevrolet made those cars as L35's.  It's all there right in the paperwork.
Doesn't mater what the initial order was - When CHEVROLET was ready to deliver those 2 cars - they were L35's
And they will always be L35's in my opinion.
I will say it again--  READ MY LIPS -- The first and only Real 4K 67 pacecar is the #3 car. Period
Let's work on definitions:
Factory configuation - configuration as built by Norwood (in this case).

My statement says that both #90 and #92 were both factory L78 cars. Both were then converted to L35/M40 spec for the pacer duty.

Both were original L78 cars and neither were in that configuration at the race.

The 4K car is the only *known* 4K car that was at Indy, and the only *known* L78 in it's original factory L78 configuration at the race. There may be others, who know if they will ever surface.

I'm not quite sure why you refer to the 4K car as #3. It was one of many IPC there at the race. IIRC, only the festival cars were in the parade, and since it was not a festival car, it probably didn't circle the track.


3093  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 09:32:21 PM
Here's what I see:
#92 (Charley's car) and #90 were ordered as L78 cars. Norwood built them as such (#92's POP confirms that). After they were built, it would appear that Chevrolet decided the pacers should be an automatic. The work order is dated after the cars were built and well after the order was in the system. There was no automatic that could live behind an L78 in 67, so the two pacers were detuned to a L35/auto combination.

There was a pacer that at the event that was a 4K L78. This is an 04D car and is the car that Jeff is referring to. So far, it's the only IPC that's been found that has been a 4K car. Since it was a regular car (regular here meaning it was not one of the pacers) that Chevrolet provided to support the race, it would have been at the race in its factory configuration.

What did I leave out?
3094  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 Pace cars on: February 27, 2007, 09:11:24 PM
OK, second warning for both parties.
Take out the personal comments. I don't really care what has occurred in the past on other sites.

This needs to remain a factual discussion, please park your baggage at the door.
3095  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: stickers on core support and fan shroud 0f 69 z/28 on: February 27, 2007, 01:50:30 AM
Sorry, that label was never factory installed because that manifold was never factory installed.
3096  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 396 on: February 26, 2007, 09:59:43 AM
Charley and Jeff:
Simply put, posts like the ones I just deleted are not appropriate and will not be allowed on this site.
3097  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 LM1 could this be one on: February 25, 2007, 01:39:39 AM
It's already added to the db. Smiley
3098  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: What does an H- code mean?????? on: February 25, 2007, 01:38:41 AM
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#b
3099  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: VIN 124377N166839 Original ??? 67 SS/RS Camaro 350 on: February 25, 2007, 01:37:18 AM
The car was on ebay back in 2005, probably by the same dealer you bought it from. Sorry, no history prior to that.
3100  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Is this vin in the CRG database? on: February 25, 2007, 01:31:19 AM
No.
3101  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro battery on: February 24, 2007, 12:52:19 AM
Here's a link with better info on batteries that I put together:
http://www.camaros.org/underhood.shtml#Batteries
3102  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 LM1 could this be one on: February 22, 2007, 11:12:57 PM
I've seen others with a 2.56. It appears that it was the economy ratio.

No, it was not in the database.

It has a 3 speed indicator on the column? Trans is gone?

Thanks!
3103  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 1969 LM1 could this be one on: February 22, 2007, 02:27:03 AM
Yes, the car is an LM1. No other model could have an X44 tag and 2 fuel lines.
Could you check the VIN, it's missing a digit?
Do you have the rear axle code?

Thanks!
3104  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 396 on: February 21, 2007, 03:13:21 AM
The L35's were available for a few months before the L78's were released.
3105  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 396 on: February 20, 2007, 03:04:12 PM
That is incorrect.
There were no 396 cars built before January 67. None.
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