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31  Model Specific Discussions / 6-cylinder Camaros / Re: L6 starters on: March 19, 2014, 10:01:21 PM
Thanks! That helps alot.
32  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Early '67 a/c compressor decal? on: March 19, 2014, 09:51:19 PM
IIRC, the 67 AC compressor stickers were all the same.  We're talking model year here, not calendar year.
33  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 1967 Camaro Pacesetter Sale on: March 19, 2014, 09:31:15 PM
I corrected myself - it should have been mid-April. The earliest car is 04C. Yours is 04A, which appears too early.
34  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Interior color numbers for 67? on: March 19, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
Umm, like this? http://www.camaros.org/interior.shtml#intcolors

"These estimates should not be combined with the exterior color use estimates because color combinations were not a uniform distribution."
35  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / 1967 Camaro Pacesetter Sale on: March 19, 2014, 12:24:29 AM
The recent discussion about Pacesetters encouraged me to do some more research on the topic. I'll probably put this on the site eventually, but for now:

The Chevrolet Pacesetter promotion was intended to leverage the selection of the 1967 Camaro as the pacecar for the 67 Indy 500.
The 4/10/67 initial announcement said “Chevrolet and its dealers are launching a nationwide Camaro Pacesetter sales campaign this month to mark the selection of the Camaro as pace car for this year's Indianapolis 500 race on Memorial Day.”
"During the Pacesetter event, Camaro buyers can get the special hood stripe and floor-mounted shift for three-speed transmission at no extra cost with special savings also available on Powerglide automatic transmission, power steering and power brakes.”
The various Pacesetter ads and literature include some details of the sale, but some details were unclear or appear conflicted.

The specifics of the Pacesetter sale were:
- The D91 bumblebee nose stripe and the M11 floor mount shift were no cost options on both L6- or V8- powered Camaros.
- For both L6 coupes and convertibles, the sale offered special savings on this group of eight options: the L22 250ci L6, deluxe steering wheel (N30), wheel covers (P01), whitewalls (P58), front and rear bumper guards (V31 & V32), wheelwell mouldings and side striping (Z21), and extra interior trim (Z23).
- If the eight-option package was ordered on a L6 car, then there was a small discount on these three options: power brakes, power steering, and the Powerglide automatic transmission.

Data on cars involved in the promotion is somewhat limited, but is sufficient to explain some to the details of the campaign.
The first cars that had the promotion were built in mid-April and, although the campaign was supposed to run through June, it continued until the end of the model year.
The window sticker showed the normal option list and prices. The GMAC invoice to the dealer showed a credit to the dealer for the promotion as a line item. How much of the savings the dealer passed on appears to be at the dealer’s discretion – there are some dealer invoices that show full price was charged to the customer without any discount.
The credit on the D91 stripe ($11.39) and M11 shifter ($8.15) were based on dealer cost, not the suggest retail price of $14.75 and $10.55.
The discount on the eight-option package (L22, N30, P01, P58, V31, V32, Z21, Z23) was $50. These options retailed for a total of $159.
If you ordered the eight-option package, the discount on power brakes was $5, the discount on power steering was $10, and the discount on the powerglide was $15. These discounts could be combined.

It is notable that the promotion focused on L6 cars. There was a notable surge in L6 orders after this promotion started, probably driven by profit potential for the dealers.
The only V8 cars involved in the promotion were those ordered with the M11 floor shifter or the D91 nose stripe. Very few V8 cars have been documented as part of the Pacesetter sale.
36  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: My 69 SS/RS Project started on: March 18, 2014, 11:37:00 PM
I'm very curious what the original color was.
Originally a 4-speed or an automatic?

If you are determined to paint it red, I'd do the Monza Red with SS side stripes.
37  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Finally! A Camaro that makes mine look good! on: March 18, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
To keep this searchable, I'll add the VIN.
124379N605092
38  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 69 x77 originality on: March 17, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
What's the complete body #?
What's the complete axle code? I doubt the axle is original with that ratio....
How would you be 100% satisfied that it's a Z? I'm not sure I could be.
39  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1969 Camaro Left Side Ajax Mirror on: March 17, 2014, 06:23:43 PM
GM often had 2-3 sources for a part. Some plants may use more of a given part than another plant due to logistics (e.g. window glass, Norwood vs Lordstown).
The schedulers at the assembly plants broadcast to the suppliers exact parts volumes for each week and for each plant.
40  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 convertible 6 cyl 3 speed rare?? on: March 17, 2014, 12:01:15 PM
http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#VINvsStyle also explains it.

Car is now on ebay, btw.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/321349552924
41  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1100693 alternator. Need correct date for my car. on: March 11, 2014, 10:17:16 PM
Yes, 396 cars with TH400 appear to have received the 42A alternator. I'd be curious if someone can find that in the 67 Camaro literature.
42  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Research Topics & Reports / Re: 69 owners with "Pebble-grained" steering wheels (not shrouds) please check in on: March 11, 2014, 03:20:18 AM
Thanks for summating the data! I added Vince's data below.
I do not see a pattern - seems like there different suppliers or different molds and the parts were used interchangeably. Interesting that there are not many smooth wheels out there...

I am not sure if I got everyone and a couple I had to put a question mark, because they didn't give enough info if the car had the Z23 option or not. Maybe they can update the info when they see there cars build date with a ? by it.

Smooth:
11B  Z23  RS/SS
11D   no   Base convertible
02B    ?    SS convertible
03D    ?    Z/28
04A  Z87  RS
04A  Z87  RS
05C  no   Z28
08C  Z23 
09C  no   X44base coupe

Pebble:
09D  Z87   RS/SS
10C  Z23   Z/28
10D  Z23   Z/28
11A   no    Base convertible
11D  Z87   SS
12C  Z23   Z/28
01C  Z23   SS
01D  no     Z/28
02B  Z23   RS
02D  Z23   X11
02D  Z23   SS
03D  Z23   RS/Z/28
03E  no     base coupe
04B  Z23   RS/Z/28
04C  Z87   Z11
04C   no    Z/28
04C   Z23  RS/Z/28
05A    ?     RS/Z/28
05A  Z87   base coupe
05A  Z87   Z10
05E  Z23    X11
06A  Z23 (no handle?) convertible
06A  Z87   SS
07A  Z23   Z/28
08C  Z23   Z/28
09A   no      ?
09B  Z23   Z/28
09D  no     X66
10A  no     Z/28

43  Orphans - documentation or VIN-stamped drivetrains - in search of the original cars / 1967 - Orphans / Re: N138616 L48 V0131MU engine on: March 11, 2014, 01:47:50 AM
Actually, with that engine date, the VIN has to be 7L138616.

124377L138616 or 124677L138616.
44  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 67 original part numbers on: March 11, 2014, 01:36:03 AM
I'm going by data, which confirms the usage.
So depends on his build date.

Does the usage data give a definitive build date change?
I'm working on that....
Dec-Feb
45  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 67 convertible 6 cyl 3 speed rare?? on: March 11, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
He's the man!
He found the plate and when he sent the picture to me, I matched it up to your car. If you hadn't posted here, I wouldn't have been able to connect the dots.
Lucky day for you. Smiley

When you get a chance, can you look at: http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=11917.0
Thanks!
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