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General Discussion / Chevrolet assembly process pictures
« on: November 25, 2008, 05:19:16 AM »
http://images.google.com/images?q=chevrolet+tarrytown+factory+source:life
Here's an great set of pics of a typical Chevrolet assembly plant. It's 59, but same thing as 69.
JohnZ had a few comments:
Here's an great set of pics of a typical Chevrolet assembly plant. It's 59, but same thing as 69.
JohnZ had a few comments:
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What you see in those photos is essentially the same process that was used at Norwood and Van Nuys, with two exceptions:
1. At Tarrytown, the assembled front clip was installed after the body was dropped on the chassis on the Final Line (the standard method for full-frame cars in most plants in those days); at Norwood and Van Nuys, the assembled front clip was attached to the body *before* the chassis and body were joined, with the body in an overhead conveyor carrier.
2. At Tarrytown, the body was dropped on the chassis on the Final Line (standard full-frame process in those days); at Norwood and Van Nuys, the chassis was *raised up* to the body with the body (and assembled front clip) six feet in the air in an overhead conveyor carrier.
Other than those two changes, you could substitute the Camaro for the '59 Chevy in almost any of those photos and it would represent the assembly process at either Norwood or Van Nuys.
John
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General Discussion / Powerglides and TH350 VIN stamp pic
« on: November 10, 2008, 09:44:20 PM »
Anyone have a good picture of the VIN stamp location on a Powerglide or a TH350?
I'm looking for an overall shot that shows people where to find it, something like the three pics at the bottom of this page, http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PartialVINs.
I would be honored to be able to use your picture there.
I'm looking for an overall shot that shows people where to find it, something like the three pics at the bottom of this page, http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PartialVINs.
I would be honored to be able to use your picture there.
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1969 - Orphans / 9L528746 Muncie trans case on ebay
« on: November 07, 2008, 03:23:43 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200270244685
Seller: cutlasrag@yahoo.com cutlasrag
Location: Spanaway, WA
Bare muncie case - P9A24B
Seller: cutlasrag@yahoo.com cutlasrag
Location: Spanaway, WA
Bare muncie case - P9A24B
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1969 - Orphans / 9N576514 trans on ebay
« on: June 04, 2008, 07:31:44 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320258531107
Complete trans. P9T26B
Seller: lkk2263
Item location: Bear, Delaware
Complete trans. P9T26B
Seller: lkk2263
Item location: Bear, Delaware
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Research Topics & Reports / 69 decklid emblem holes
« on: April 15, 2008, 04:12:04 AM »
This topic was on TC and needs further research.
Talking about decklids and were there always 2 sets of emblem holes for cars with spoilers. It's a long thread, but the summation is:
JohnZ posted:
There was only one raw deck lid (for a Camaro) from the stamping plant, with the standard Camaro emblem holes pre-pierced in the dies. Spoiler holes (and the extra set of holes for the relocated Camaro emblem) were all "drill at assembly" in the Body Shop using an applied fixture that clamped to the deck lid.
The rear shelf panel/deck lid hinge subassembly (which required a different torsion bar for spoiler cars) was loaded early in the body framing line, before the cowl tag was installed; they knew from the body run sheet which units required D80.
I responded:
That was true for 67-mid 69. But there are later 69 cars without the lower emblem holes.
I think that the Firebird caused a process change. I think they then used one F-body decklid and drilled the holes (F-bird, T/A, Camaro, and Camaro with spoiler) in the body shop.
JohnZ said:
Could well be - I left Norwood about a month before the Firebird production started, so I'm not familiar with any process changes the revised mix may have caused.
James posted:
My theory is that the D80 changed to a decklid with no lower emblem piercings, thus ensuring that the lids were unpierced because the T/A spolier would not cover them like the camaro spolier would.
Several 02D cars with spoilers have 2 sets of emblem holes.
An 07A and an 08A (later 69) cars only have one set of holes, which seems to support a process change.
Looking for more data from mid-year 69 cars with spoilers to support the process change and pin down when it happened.
Talking about decklids and were there always 2 sets of emblem holes for cars with spoilers. It's a long thread, but the summation is:
JohnZ posted:
There was only one raw deck lid (for a Camaro) from the stamping plant, with the standard Camaro emblem holes pre-pierced in the dies. Spoiler holes (and the extra set of holes for the relocated Camaro emblem) were all "drill at assembly" in the Body Shop using an applied fixture that clamped to the deck lid.
The rear shelf panel/deck lid hinge subassembly (which required a different torsion bar for spoiler cars) was loaded early in the body framing line, before the cowl tag was installed; they knew from the body run sheet which units required D80.
I responded:
That was true for 67-mid 69. But there are later 69 cars without the lower emblem holes.
I think that the Firebird caused a process change. I think they then used one F-body decklid and drilled the holes (F-bird, T/A, Camaro, and Camaro with spoiler) in the body shop.
JohnZ said:
Could well be - I left Norwood about a month before the Firebird production started, so I'm not familiar with any process changes the revised mix may have caused.
James posted:
My theory is that the D80 changed to a decklid with no lower emblem piercings, thus ensuring that the lids were unpierced because the T/A spolier would not cover them like the camaro spolier would.
Several 02D cars with spoilers have 2 sets of emblem holes.
An 07A and an 08A (later 69) cars only have one set of holes, which seems to support a process change.
Looking for more data from mid-year 69 cars with spoilers to support the process change and pin down when it happened.
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Research Topics & Reports / Seatbelt Research (was New CRG Research Report)
« on: March 22, 2008, 06:50:45 AM »
I split the discussion of the new seatbelt report. I moved most of the relevant research oriented posts to this forum and renamed the thread. Hope both threads still make sense.
(I probably wouldn't have moved this post, but I needed one of my posts to edit.)
This post originally said:
That's pages 15-84 and 15-85 from the Fisher Body service manual. I looked at those, but didn't use them.
Nice shot of the location.
Since there is interest and the rear shoulder belts are relevant, I'm adding them.
Thought I was done with this......
(I probably wouldn't have moved this post, but I needed one of my posts to edit.)
This post originally said:
That's pages 15-84 and 15-85 from the Fisher Body service manual. I looked at those, but didn't use them.
Nice shot of the location.
Since there is interest and the rear shoulder belts are relevant, I'm adding them.
Thought I was done with this......
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General Discussion / Site updates
« on: March 20, 2008, 06:45:49 AM »
I've spent some time and finished updating most of the info pages on the site. I continued the conversion from the FAQ format to an indexed format. That should help make the info on those pages more accessible.
Engine, options, exterior, and interior pages all got major revisions.
Exterior got new paint color estimates and interior now has interior color estimates too!
Please let us know if you see any errors. I already see a minor format error......
Engine, options, exterior, and interior pages all got major revisions.
Exterior got new paint color estimates and interior now has interior color estimates too!
Please let us know if you see any errors. I already see a minor format error......
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General Discussion / New CRG Research Report - Headrests
« on: March 20, 2008, 06:38:11 AM »
Please congratulate Ed Bertrand on the great job he has done on his latest report on headrests.
Thanks Ed!
http://www.camaros.org/headrest.shtml
Thanks Ed!
http://www.camaros.org/headrest.shtml
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General Discussion / New CRG Research Report - Seatbelts
« on: March 20, 2008, 06:35:57 AM »
Well, I've mentioned it before and it's finally done. Took a long time!
http://www.camaros.org/seatbelt.shtml
A thank you goes out to Martin Foltz who started this document 10 years ago (!) and to Kevin Wright who provided some of the details.
Let me know if you find any errors...
Thanks!
Kurt
http://www.camaros.org/seatbelt.shtml
A thank you goes out to Martin Foltz who started this document 10 years ago (!) and to Kevin Wright who provided some of the details.
Let me know if you find any errors...
Thanks!
Kurt
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General Discussion / Page updates
« on: February 27, 2008, 11:00:48 PM »
I did several page updates.
The chassis page, http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml, now has spring application info, 69 steering box & linkage info, and updated master cylinder and rear brake valve info.
All three of the ID pages (http://www.camaros.org/diffs67.shtml, etc) now include all V8 models, including base engines.
And several misc corrections / additions to other pages.
Let me know if you see any errors.
The chassis page, http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml, now has spring application info, 69 steering box & linkage info, and updated master cylinder and rear brake valve info.
All three of the ID pages (http://www.camaros.org/diffs67.shtml, etc) now include all V8 models, including base engines.
And several misc corrections / additions to other pages.
Let me know if you see any errors.
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1969 - Orphans / 9N534122 trans on ebay
« on: February 16, 2008, 10:09:04 PM »
ebay 170192372566
P9R24A, 10 spline input, 27-spline output. Also have the original tag that reads 3950356.
Seller: mrracing in Sheboygan, WI
P9R24A, 10 spline input, 27-spline output. Also have the original tag that reads 3950356.
Seller: mrracing in Sheboygan, WI
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1969 - Orphans / 9N640169 POP and invoice - pace car
« on: January 31, 2008, 09:29:28 PM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330207853835
Auction for the invoice and a warranty POP for a pacer.
Seller is camarospecialties in East Aurora, NY.
Auction for the invoice and a warranty POP for a pacer.
Seller is camarospecialties in East Aurora, NY.
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1968 - Orphans / 8N331365 - I have your POP
« on: April 03, 2007, 04:58:11 AM »
Not sure the car survives, but I have the POP. Sold new in PA. 327 / auto car.