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2131  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Still confused on Smog systems!!!! on: March 28, 2006, 09:07:53 AM
Supernova: And I agree with you!  You are taking what you've got and trying to work your way back to original.  That's exactly what I am working toward.  You are making several posts that I think are helpful to everyone and certainly gets me thinking. Thanks!
Let us know how you work out the "not matching numbers" issue --if you do?!?  That is my biggest issue... and I'm sure it is for most of us.  There are a lot of folks working on forgotten or cloned cars to get back to original (or as close as possible).

Kurt: that's what I figured. I had a 73 Ford product (too embarassed to even say what), which was pretty much the year that muscle cars died.  About a year after I bought it, the dealership realized my "smog pump" (as they called it) wasn't even working and I HAD to have it fixed.  Up to that point the car had run great.  After they "fixed" it, no one could get it running right.  The best answer the dealership  could give me was "Hey, this is a government mandated thing... not our idea." I traded for a Chevy, which had "reduced" horsepower but at least it ran right!

Thanks for the info.  Great thread!
2132  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: March 27, 2006, 05:03:19 PM
I had actually forgotten that the 69 had that 1" reveal.  I know I've seen that dozens of times before.  (AHA! That also explains why vinyl kits require trimming for a 69!) But since you've put one on, how was it done?  I can look at my 68 where the vinyl comes all the way to the drip rail and that seems obvious and simple.  Is the 69 top that much more complicated? Huh
Thanks! Grin
2133  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Still confused on Smog systems!!!! on: March 27, 2006, 04:53:38 PM
Now, let me ask both you guys (Supernova and Kurt or anybody else) is there any real "advantage" to putting the AIR system on a car?  (Other than originality?)  From my experience with early 70s cars (when they were really original, as in "brand new"), most of the early smog devices were really not all that effective and basically lowered your gas mileage (OK, from 10 mpg to 8 on a muscle car).  I'm not proposing that we (then and now) break any pollution laws, etc., but other than for the look does it really make any real difference on a 68 in 2006???
I especially wonder since Supernova has already said he doesn't have matching numbers...

I understand from the report why automatics got by with the Controlled Combustion System.  But from what I remember from a 68 Chevelle (then) and my 68 Camaro now, they both seem far too "Leaky" to do much good. 

My state (NC) makes most newer cars have emissions inspections according to pollution levels in their county.  Interestingly enough, the state legislature eventually exempted olders cars.
2134  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Cosmolene wrapped bumper on: March 26, 2006, 03:16:26 PM
Actually, every gunsmith in the world knows all about cosmolene as a protective coating.
2135  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Still confused on Smog systems!!!! on: March 26, 2006, 03:02:18 PM
Not trying to beg the point, but doesn't Kurt's report on emmissions make that clear?

To quote:
"In 1968 and 1969, the California and federal emissions requirements were the same and all cars were built to the same 50-state standard. The AIR system was installed on all L6 cars with manual transmissions, all small blocks with manual transmissions, and all Camaros with big blocks. (Chevelles and full-size cars with the 396/325hp engine and TH400 transmission were the only 68-69 big block cars to not have smog pumps.) Only the automatic L6 and automatic small block Camaros did not have smog pumps, instead they had the simpler Controlled Combustion System. Generally speaking, an automatic car required less aggressive emission control than a manual transmission car because the engine load (and carburetor fuel metering consistency) was more stable and predictable."

My 68 L30 is a southern car (out of Florida) but is automatic, so it does not have the AIR system.  But if you want to restore it to L30/M20 (great idea, by the way) then the report says, "all small block with manual transmissions" did.
2136  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: March 24, 2006, 11:35:52 AM
Up to 330 views and got 30 votes...  Seems like you get a vote for about every ten views...  PLEASE VOTE!
2137  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: 250 Fender Emblems on: March 23, 2006, 12:26:08 PM
If you have exhausted most of the nationally known sources, try these guys...

This is part of the Modern Automotive Group in Winston-Salem, NC.  (I see you are from Georgia... Lived in Stone Mountain for three years, myself.) Modern Chevrolet has their own classic parts department.  I know they used to stock some 250 stuff, and because of their inventory, it usually just pays to call and ask.  --I'd call, not email.  Lots of times, their guys will try and figure out where yoiu can find it even if they have discontinued it. 

And good for you on keeping it original!
2138  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Z23 and Z87 Differences? on: March 23, 2006, 10:06:10 AM
Here's where Kurt sent Supernova a while back in response to his question about RPO codes:

I got interested in that thread, wanting to know more about my 68 interior.
Rich has two charts where you can compare Z23 and Z87.  I found it to be more helpful (readable) than even the GM RPO list.

Supernova's thread was

Hope this helps!
2139  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: March 22, 2006, 01:33:26 PM
Thanks, John.  I stand corrected!
2140  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Mild Modifications / Re: HELP with suspension upgrade? on: March 22, 2006, 10:04:28 AM
Here's an "Amen" to Ed's advice.  If you are bouncing that bad, new shocks will not only help with the clearance issue, but you'll be amazed how well it handles period.  Right after I got my 68, new shocks was one of the first things I did.  It felt like a new car!  The shocks that the previous owner had put on it were obviously not original, but they were cheap junk. 

All the "coke bottle" body cars had a different sense of handling when they first came out.  I drove a 65 Mustang in the late 60s and it felt like the front end was floating.  A front end rebuild will tigthen all that up (at least better than the worn out original stuff).  I've driven a 69 Camaro that had a brand new Corvette front end.  It handled great, but it no longer had that 1st Generation feel.  I still say when you get it all "tuned" right, there is nothing like driving a 1st Generation Camaro.  No, it does not respond as well as the little black sports car I drive every day, but I still love it!
2141  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 Conv. Front Cocktail shakers on: March 20, 2006, 11:58:19 AM
Have you seen this?  It's a start...
2142  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: March 20, 2006, 11:30:47 AM
OK, so far we've gotten about 250 views and only 26 votes.  PLEASE VOTE!

Dab67, You're going to make us wait till April?!?  Royal Plum was another one of the great 60s/70s colors (at least in my opinion... One of my friends used to have a plum colored AMX that drew crowds at shows like a magnet.).  Cannot wait to see it!

Summertime, I'd love to see that black on black.  That's timeless!  (But hard to keep clean... I've got a new all black car and would love to keep it out of the rain...)

That's worth knowing that cars with vinyl tops may not have gotten as much TLC at the factory.
2143  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: March 19, 2006, 02:44:42 PM
I guess that is an important point.  First, yellow cars do look good with black vinyl.  Second, vinyl is a 60s and 70s look.
2144  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: orginal T3 headlights on: March 17, 2006, 11:45:01 AM
As a matter of fact, you just missed a set that came off a 69... but don't worry I counted five off of Camaros and about 30 more that should work.
2145  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: cloning on: March 17, 2006, 11:36:34 AM
OK, you have to post us a picture...

My 68 was SS cloned by the previous owner.  Until I go to have it repainted, I'm driving it as is.  Then, I'm going back to original.  After all, isn't that what we are all about?  We love the Camaro --the original Camaro.

As to the black vinyl top, the previous owner added it to my buttewrnut yellow car.  I'll have to admit... it looks good.  I've seen several posts on other sites that claim a butternut yellow car is "incomplete" without that vinyl top.  But then, in both our cases, it would not be original.  You might want to look at my poll:

Of course, your car is your car... and if you are not going to show it... then it is up to you... as long as we all do like Rich69rs said and disclose at sale...

Let us know what you decide!
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