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2071  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: B-J Auction Results on: April 21, 2006, 10:22:04 AM

Good question!

First of all, most folks don't live in the Barrett-Jackson universe... 
It's sort of like living on the next street over from a high priced neighborhood.  If you want to sell your house, you are glad that those rich folks are raising the values, but you know you cannot afford anything on their street if you decide to move.

I've been watching Camaro (and classic cars in general) values out in "the rest of the world" market for years.  Actually, "fair" or "good" values have climbed steadily, while "show" values, especially Zs, etc., have gone out the roof.

As to whether values will reach a maximum anytime soon on muscle cars...
I was recently at a classic car sale/auction in Charlotte, NC.  There were hundreds of cars for sale.  Seller's values were up $5K to $10K, but buyers were cutting that increase off the top and, yes most of the time, driving away with the car.

Up until a few years ago, most muscle car owners were considered "Young Upstarts" by antique car collectors.  Their 20s, 30s and early 40s cars were rapidly increasing in value.  Now, their market has leveled out somewhat (and muscle car values are helping them hold their value).  In just a few years the 70s cars will fall into that "true classic car range of 35 years or older".  Right now, you can buy most of them "cheap".  And when they start trying to claim their place, all of us 50s and 60s owners will look down our noses at them and say things like "It's not a classic car without chrome".  But the market, kids who are just learning to drive now, will give them value.

So, yes, I think muscle car values will eventually level off somewhat, but it will take a depression to make them go down.  (And not trying to be rude at all,) if you decide to "cash in" now, but later want "back in the club", it WILL cost you more...

Besides, most of those B-J buyers never drive their cars! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
2072  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Cowl Tag Rivet Installation on: April 19, 2006, 03:42:09 PM
Here's what they say at TRIMTAGS:
2073  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Fuel / Octane Rating on: April 19, 2006, 09:59:21 AM
Sorry to not be clear... I meant 93, just like JohnZ said.
I'm not sure 100 octane was sold in 1969.  At least I don't remember it...

Take a look at these documents:

I realize they are "scientific" and not so practical, but it will give you an idea about the various factors involved.  The practical comes when you get your set up (tune) right.  Sounds like John has it right for his equipment.

In a Z --that is set up just right-- I don't doubt that the SUPER octanes (100+) would give SLIGHTLY better performance. 
2074  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: re-stamping a block on: April 18, 2006, 05:48:55 PM
The ability to verify is certainly a big issue when it comes to originality.  And I hope originality is the major factor in the true value of cars for a long time to come....
But... like Colvin says in Chevrolet BY the Numbers, the hobby has changed since he started out hunting swap meets years ago.  There are lots of cars now with repo parts and new motors --by some necessity.
But... is a restamped car that is original any worse than a car with a replacement  motor that looks correct but it is still not the original motor?  The hobby certainly sees a lot of that now.  It is pretty much a necessity, too.  I spoke to Tom Cottor in Charlotte a while back.  We're finding less "Cobras in the Barn".
I had a well known restorer from my neck of the woods look at my car right after I bought it, and he said (Quote) "That's one of the most original looking cars I've seen lately"  But... my motor isn't even an original Camaro motor, even though it is the right year and "looks" correct.
Like advised above, just make sure you clearly state what you've done, if you ever sell it.  But... I'm glad you are restoring the car!
2075  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Fuel / Octane Rating on: April 18, 2006, 12:24:07 PM
Listen to JohnZ...

Would that running higher octane than required could cure all the motor ills it has been given credit for!!!
Pardon the pun, but there are better ways to get more bang for your buck.

I've been told for forty years that you should follow the manufacturer's recommendation for octane, because if you still get detonation (bad "knock", etc); then there are other things that need adjustment.  The present day unleaded 87 octane fuel should generally run okay with a compression ratio of 9.3 : 1 or less. Thus, your Zs do need what we all called "high test" in the 60s.

But will these so-called "super octanes" make it run better?  Perhaps, but if it takes that to stop the detonation or even significantly inprove performance, then you need to deal with the other factors.  Is it worth it?  At today's gas prices, nope... 

If you are running premium and still getting detonation (or just plain old bad performance), there are several things about your car's set up that you should check.  I'd start with these three basics: heat/spark, fuel/air and timing.

I'll be interested in hearing what others have to say... My father and grandfather used to talk about this one...

2076  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Almost lost it!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 18, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
Wow! It may not seem that way, but you were lucky!

Where are you getting your new harnesses from?  Apparently, you've got somebody local doing it (or yourself?).
2077  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Speedometer HELP !! on: April 18, 2006, 09:27:21 AM
I know what you mean about the "fear" of working on transmissions!

I'm posting back to you to make sure other folks realize my suggestion was only about the speedometer, not the transmission leak.
Hey, you transmission guys... Help the fellow out!

Good luck!
2078  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Speedometer HELP !! on: April 17, 2006, 03:34:20 PM
In terms of #2:
Dab67 had the same problem with the speedometer being about 10 mph off.
Look at this post:

Not sure we really ever answered his (or your) question, but there are a couple of suggestions about where to start.

Good luck! 
2079  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Almost lost it!!!!!!!!!!! on: April 17, 2006, 03:19:49 PM

First, glad you are okay!  Second, equally glad you didn't have any significant fire damage to that great looking 67.

Your misfortune is a good lesson for all of us.  When I first got my 68 I had an auto electrical shop go over the wiring.  Even though the visual inspection looked okay, I still had them go through and clean up all the connections, etc.  It was amazing how much that improved the whole electrical system.  I knew the car had sat for at least a year or maybe a lot more than that.  Bad things can happen when a car just sits...

This also reminds me why it is good to carry a fire extinguisher in every car --classic and new.

Again, glad you are okay!

By the way, we got drenched the other week at the show at Lowe's Motor Speedway.  It rained like cats and dogs.  Not real fond of getting the car that wet.  At least, we did get a DPC plaque for our efforts

2080  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Green top on green 69 on: April 16, 2006, 06:43:20 PM
Green was a popular color in general in the late 60s.  While not that many may have been made, green on green was considered a great look in a car. 
2081  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: SS Hupcaps on: April 14, 2006, 08:04:03 PM
The 68 Illustrated Facts shows hub caps as standard for all models.  It lists all wheel covers (and notes "special for SS") as Extra Charge. I'm not sure about the RPO, unless it's P01.  But then I'm not sure how you got the SS cover (as opposed to 68 emblem cover), unless it automatically came when you ordered it with L48 or L35.
2082  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: COWL TAG HAS ME PUZZLED.. Is it worth while? on: April 11, 2006, 11:30:59 AM
It's sort of like grandpa used to say, "They aren't making any more dirt..."
If you post a picture of the cowl tag, also post us a picture of what the car looks like unrestored.  Your description sounds rough, but even if it weren't a possible Z28, it could still be worth restoring.
Yes, it costs money, but once you cut an old car up for something else, that's one more lost!
Take a look at thiis thread:
2083  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Style trim group on: April 10, 2006, 02:54:02 PM
This has a picture and description for a 68 "belt reveal molding"
2084  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Passenger side rearview mirror location on: April 09, 2006, 07:19:26 AM
Yes, and if you do not put it further back, you can barely use it, without turning it all the way toward the driver.

You might want to look at this:

Of course, my wife thinks the passenger side mirror is for her as the "co-pilot"...
2085  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: April 09, 2006, 07:12:32 AM
Thanks for the opinions and votes.  Got some good, helpful information.  Grin Grin Grin
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