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2056  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 Camaro ignition and trunk keys on: April 28, 2006, 07:00:38 PM
67 & 68 Camaros were in production from September to July.  69 ran to November, thanks to the delay in the 70 model.  There is a VIN report in CRG General Information:
2057  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Driver side mirror on: April 27, 2006, 01:29:31 PM
That's what it looks like from the picture(s).

The metal piece (in your picture) which attaches to the body and base of the mirror also looks too wide for a 68 mirror.  But I'll be the first to admit that there could be some sort of exception.  I've just never seen it.  Years ago, I did own a 57, but my sister (whom I have forgiven) totaled it. 

Let me suggest that you email Bertfam (Ed Bertrand) with the picture and ask him. If the gasket has a part # on it, tell him that, as well.  I'm not trying to speak for him (and do not presume to), but I do know he has a P&A that covers 68 parts.  I've emailed with him about the P&A.  I'd love to find one, but they are expensive!
2058  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Driver side mirror on: April 27, 2006, 09:06:01 AM
I'm going to stick by my original statement... which included "make sure you get the right year for your car".  I knew I had seen a rounded gasket on a Chevy before... Take a look at these two sites:

I also checked The Paddock, Classic, Rick's, Ground Up, and Old Muscle Cars, they all show the same squared off base like Ecklers for a 68 Camaro.  I've had my 68 (December, Norwood) judged twice with squared off mirror base and received no deductions for it.
2059  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Driver side mirror on: April 26, 2006, 04:16:15 PM
Now that you mention it, it is sort of rounded...
Anyway, the "replacement originals" come as a kit with bracket, gasket and screws.  It ought to fit in the same screw holes.
Lot's of places have them.  Here's Eckler's repo:
Of course, you can pay two hundred dollars for an original type on the same site.
I bought mine at a local place, but most of the mail order places have the same thing.

Also, take a look at this, before you put it on:
2060  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Does anything seem wrong with this auction? on: April 26, 2006, 04:00:57 PM
I see you pulled out... probably wise!
I noted that there is now one feedback.  It is positive, but the item had nothing to do with cars, old or new.  It looks like some guy tried to sell a car using his wife's access to Ebay.
It will be interesting to see how it turns out....
2061  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Driver side mirror on: April 26, 2006, 02:08:42 PM
That looks like a standard (non-remote) mirror base.  They come in a round or rectangular shape.  Just make sure you get the right one for the year of your car.
2062  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Does anything seem wrong with this auction? on: April 25, 2006, 03:20:43 PM
You might ought to send a query to Ebay.   Huh

The seller's answers to questions seems a little evasive...  Huh

I assume you are bidding up to find the reserve?  It has three bids and they are all from you.

Since you have made a bid, why don't you ask a specific question and see what sort of reply you get?

I would definitely use PayPal and try to meet the 7 day money back to cover myself.

Hope this works out OK!

2063  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Speedometer HELP !! on: April 24, 2006, 06:38:10 PM
NAPA should be able to get it for you if they don't have it in stock.  I learned about two years ago from one of their area reps. that they actually have a classic car division.  You just don't hear anything about it, and some local dealers don't know unless you ask.  Some of their stuff they call "vintage".

Hope this fixes it!
2064  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Vinyl or Not? on: April 22, 2006, 07:31:25 PM

Now, that's what we are talking about!  Thanks for the picture.
That black on black combination is great! Grin Grin Grin

Hope you are going to send that shot to sdkar:

2065  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Mystery '67 Camaro Update! on: April 21, 2006, 03:21:18 PM
Sounds to me like you are doing the right things.
All the things that mean something to Camaro lovers probably mean nothing to her.  Who knows, that car may have been part of what split them up!
Politeness, pictures of your family, etc. will probably get you farther.  And I really like ratz28's idea!
Her present husband --even if he is a car lover-- still may not be much help.  So, make sure the gift card will cover a big steak for him, too.
You've come up against the one obstacle that is probably worst than any state's tangle of red tape: The feelings this lady probably has toward a now deceased ex-husband.
Hell hath no fury... Shocked Shocked Shocked
2066  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: B-J Auction Results on: April 21, 2006, 10:22:04 AM

Good question!

First of all, most folks don't live in the Barrett-Jackson universe... 
It's sort of like living on the next street over from a high priced neighborhood.  If you want to sell your house, you are glad that those rich folks are raising the values, but you know you cannot afford anything on their street if you decide to move.

I've been watching Camaro (and classic cars in general) values out in "the rest of the world" market for years.  Actually, "fair" or "good" values have climbed steadily, while "show" values, especially Zs, etc., have gone out the roof.

As to whether values will reach a maximum anytime soon on muscle cars...
I was recently at a classic car sale/auction in Charlotte, NC.  There were hundreds of cars for sale.  Seller's values were up $5K to $10K, but buyers were cutting that increase off the top and, yes most of the time, driving away with the car.

Up until a few years ago, most muscle car owners were considered "Young Upstarts" by antique car collectors.  Their 20s, 30s and early 40s cars were rapidly increasing in value.  Now, their market has leveled out somewhat (and muscle car values are helping them hold their value).  In just a few years the 70s cars will fall into that "true classic car range of 35 years or older".  Right now, you can buy most of them "cheap".  And when they start trying to claim their place, all of us 50s and 60s owners will look down our noses at them and say things like "It's not a classic car without chrome".  But the market, kids who are just learning to drive now, will give them value.

So, yes, I think muscle car values will eventually level off somewhat, but it will take a depression to make them go down.  (And not trying to be rude at all,) if you decide to "cash in" now, but later want "back in the club", it WILL cost you more...

Besides, most of those B-J buyers never drive their cars! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
2067  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Cowl Tag Rivet Installation on: April 19, 2006, 03:42:09 PM
Here's what they say at TRIMTAGS:
2068  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Fuel / Octane Rating on: April 19, 2006, 09:59:21 AM
Sorry to not be clear... I meant 93, just like JohnZ said.
I'm not sure 100 octane was sold in 1969.  At least I don't remember it...

Take a look at these documents:

I realize they are "scientific" and not so practical, but it will give you an idea about the various factors involved.  The practical comes when you get your set up (tune) right.  Sounds like John has it right for his equipment.

In a Z --that is set up just right-- I don't doubt that the SUPER octanes (100+) would give SLIGHTLY better performance. 
2069  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: re-stamping a block on: April 18, 2006, 05:48:55 PM
The ability to verify is certainly a big issue when it comes to originality.  And I hope originality is the major factor in the true value of cars for a long time to come....
But... like Colvin says in Chevrolet BY the Numbers, the hobby has changed since he started out hunting swap meets years ago.  There are lots of cars now with repo parts and new motors --by some necessity.
But... is a restamped car that is original any worse than a car with a replacement  motor that looks correct but it is still not the original motor?  The hobby certainly sees a lot of that now.  It is pretty much a necessity, too.  I spoke to Tom Cottor in Charlotte a while back.  We're finding less "Cobras in the Barn".
I had a well known restorer from my neck of the woods look at my car right after I bought it, and he said (Quote) "That's one of the most original looking cars I've seen lately"  But... my motor isn't even an original Camaro motor, even though it is the right year and "looks" correct.
Like advised above, just make sure you clearly state what you've done, if you ever sell it.  But... I'm glad you are restoring the car!
2070  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Maintenance / Re: Fuel / Octane Rating on: April 18, 2006, 12:24:07 PM
Listen to JohnZ...

Would that running higher octane than required could cure all the motor ills it has been given credit for!!!
Pardon the pun, but there are better ways to get more bang for your buck.

I've been told for forty years that you should follow the manufacturer's recommendation for octane, because if you still get detonation (bad "knock", etc); then there are other things that need adjustment.  The present day unleaded 87 octane fuel should generally run okay with a compression ratio of 9.3 : 1 or less. Thus, your Zs do need what we all called "high test" in the 60s.

But will these so-called "super octanes" make it run better?  Perhaps, but if it takes that to stop the detonation or even significantly inprove performance, then you need to deal with the other factors.  Is it worth it?  At today's gas prices, nope... 

If you are running premium and still getting detonation (or just plain old bad performance), there are several things about your car's set up that you should check.  I'd start with these three basics: heat/spark, fuel/air and timing.

I'll be interested in hearing what others have to say... My father and grandfather used to talk about this one...

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