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2011  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Your worst 1st generation Camaro fears - realized on: August 28, 2006, 03:52:49 PM
I'm a tarheel myself... but back to the thread. Grin
Thanks for those pics, Richard.  I'm going back to my first post:  This is not a rebody.  It is a kit car!   Angry
In the case of this particular car, how could you not call it a kit car?  It is not original in any way, shape or form: not an original body, drive train(?), motor.  But from these pictures I can also see how it would be easy to produce a car that could fool a lot of people with an original VIN attached to it.  The kit car market has lots of cars that are registered as the original.  Sadly, it appears that the same may soon be true for Camaros.  All the more reason to check out any car thoroughly before you buy it.  Roll Eyes
2012  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 2009 Camaro is Coming!!! on: August 27, 2006, 02:46:54 PM
Actually, dealers selling "hard to get" new models far above the list price is nothing new.  It's been around for decades.  The Ebay bid approach may be a new wrinkle, but paying a high price for the first one(s) is and has been common practice.
What surprises me is the $10,000 bid!!!  Contrary to the general opinion we keep expressing, there must be somebody out there who is excited about the new Camaro and willing to pay.

GM was a "johnny come lately" with the Camaro to GTOs and Mustangs. If you go back and read about the First Generation in car magazines, etc. you will find some less than sterling reviews.  Motor Trends Car of the Year in 1967 was the Cougar.  (The European Car of the Year in 67 was the Fiat 124?!?)  Yet, the Camaro became the car we love and they sold a lot of them!  (Even though it took several years to catch up with the Mustang.)

GM executives are getting on the band wagon.  The CEOs -Wagoner and Lutz have been talking to the press.  There have been events in August where they were out talking.  As to the Internet, GM has their own blogs.  Lutz quotes J.D. Powers when it comes to the why and what of the new Camaro.  Whoever they are talking to is (gasp) excited about the possibilites.

Trust me, I'm not a current GM fan myself.  (Yes, I drive a Toyota, too!  A Celica... and I'm not thrilled with Toyota doing away with all their "real sportscars"!)  What I hope is that history repeats itself!  I bought a 68 Camaro, thirty-some years later.  I hope my granddaughter buys a classic Camaro in 2040 --even if it's solar powered!
2013  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How Much Do You Drive? on: August 26, 2006, 04:15:44 PM
Thought I'd bring this one back and see if anyone else wants to chime in.
Down my way, we've had beautiful weather, but cannot seem to find the time to get out and cruise.

Let's hear from you.  Vote!
2014  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: need help deciding how to restore engine compartment on: August 23, 2006, 06:05:42 PM
Before you start take a look at this thread:
Especially heed JohnZ's comment in the second post:
"See the "First-Generation Camaro Assembly Process" paper in the "CRG Reports" block at the top of the page for more Paint Shop process detail."
If you are going to do rattlecan, this could save you later headaches...
2015  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: To stripe or not to stripe? That is the question on: August 23, 2006, 05:56:59 PM
As I read the 68 AIM both the early and the later stripe were available for non SS.  The notation in the AIM for both is for 12000 series and lists no limitations.  For that matter, the 68 AIM has the same notation for the pin stripe, which was definitely available for non SS.
2016  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Finding the Correct Underhood Lamp on: August 22, 2006, 08:01:16 PM
Or maybe a 68 and 69. The 68 AIM speaks of existing holes and appears to show two holes (two lines showing screw placement, but interestingly enough only one screw actually drawn).  Roll Eyes
2017  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Found another one : ) ...'67 with just under 40,000 miles! on: August 22, 2006, 05:09:04 PM

From previous experiences I fear CNORTON may be right.  Any state's DMV reports can dead end fast even for someone with "authority" (dealer, attourney, etc.)
But since that lady owned it so long, you could get lucky.
Here's a place online to start:
This could start you out with a $5 fee or a $5 phone call, but if you're willing to give it a shot...
Good luck!

Post the pictures and let us know what happens.
2018  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Gas Cap on: August 20, 2006, 11:46:11 AM

The reason I ask is twofold:

You ought to take a look at this:
and contact Bertfam (Ed). 

Also, some suppliers advertise  SS caps that really aren't the right one for a particular year. (Like the SS 350 cap that is often advertized for 67 - 68, but then they will disclaim it as original in the fine print for 68.)  That RS cap may have been put on your car from "bad" information.  It happens all the time and sometimes from what you might think is a reliable source.

Sounds like a sweet car... post us a picture!  Grin

2019  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Correct Gas Cap on: August 19, 2006, 04:44:58 PM
What size was the original motor?  Is it the 396 you list?
2020  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 69 z/28 what to with it? on: August 17, 2006, 02:14:44 PM
2021  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Cooling fan and clutch question? on: August 17, 2006, 01:26:09 PM
First, take a look at this:
I realize this only addresses part of your question...
I think Kurt can help you with the rest.  He straightened me out on the 3 vs 3.25 spacing a while back.

I went back and found that thread.  Take a look:
2022  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 16, 2006, 04:06:41 PM
First, I don't want to turn this thread too far away from its original question...
But several months ago, I tried to start a thread on judging and got little response...
they did not learn to judge the cars correctly.
Actually, I agree with that criticism of AACA.  But I think the real issue is around the word "correctly".  What is correct depends on the organization doing the judging and where they set their standards.  Presently, a 1st Generation Camaro would be judged in one of two classifications according to year and would be judged against practically everything else manufactured that year by anybody (except Mustangs)... and only factory documentation would be considered, not your pictures, etc.  I have seen Camaros win in their classification, however, both locally and nationally in recent years.  The point is that those owners know what is "correct" in that organizatiions judging standards.
I've figured from JohnZ and others comments that there isn't a very clear set of JUDGING standards for Camaros.  Wouldn't it be great if there were? Huh Huh Huh  I wonder if CRG isn't a good place to start!!!
2023  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: August 16, 2006, 08:57:05 AM
FYI, in 1987 AACA developed an entire juding (and awards) classification called Historical Preservation of Original Features (HPOF), which is to preserve all brands and models.
From the 2006 Juges Manual: "In the furtherance of the “preservation” mission, the
AACA Board of Directors in 1987 established a program to encourage the saving and display of collector vehicles in their original, as-manufactured condition."
2024  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 2009 Camaro is Coming!!! on: August 16, 2006, 08:35:37 AM
Jimmy V,

Probabaly your file is too large.  Take it down to 65 x 65 pixels and it should work.  BTW, many car pictures are wider than they are tall.  So, it may have to be smaller than 65 X 65 to work (look right).  For example, mine turned out 63 X 47 --for it to look like I wanted.

Good luck!
2025  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 2009 Camaro is Coming!!! on: August 15, 2006, 01:48:57 PM
Does anybody know what kind of market research GM did?  What market are they after?
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