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1861  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 14, 2006, 05:13:10 PM
True...  Absolutely... 

But I can also look at those other pictures, including the vin, the cowl tag and engine stamp with some confidence because of what I have learned from CRG.  I also chuckled at the fan shroud sticker as overzealous restoration because JohnZ has told us more than once they don't belong on a 1st generation Camaro. I've checked through some of the RPO codes from the window sticker from the CRG RPO listing, just like Kurt referrred to.  I agree with Daniel the water stains are suspect.

Now, somebody please help the rest of us, so we can at least sight identify a fake...  The reason I should know about the window sticker is because there are no ECL's?  In other words, did all 67, 68, 69 window stickers have ECLs?

1862  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 11, 2006, 04:50:45 PM
Well, I know Kurt is right and in the end I have to agree... but there are plenty of us out here who are just trying to learn.  I learned a whole lot more than I previously knew from this thread.  Thanks! ADz28 for asking the question and CRG for the info!

Richard, I think you and I are about at the same place on this kind of information.  I wish we lived in a world where people loved cars more than profit.

With what is happening in the hobby now and where prices are going, there is certainly a need for caution.
1863  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 10, 2006, 08:54:23 PM
So, is it fair to say there is no definitive source for window sticker decoding?  Huh  Huh  Huh
1864  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Mark of Excellence on: December 09, 2006, 09:54:26 PM
Thanks, Dave.

Here's where I wound up:

I'll try their tech line on Monday.

The belts themselves are in great shape.  It's just the lack of paint on the GM button.  Still, would like to know if anyone knows what color of blue that is...
1865  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Seat Belt Tag on: December 08, 2006, 06:04:23 PM
The seat belt tag reads:

Hamill          1968
Model          137

Would that be OK for a 68 12D?

1866  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Spoiler AND Rear Antenna on: December 08, 2006, 11:28:43 AM
It's you're responsibility to prove originality if there is an originality question... not the judges.

But since you've now gotten three replies... none of them comical...  OK, I'll bite:
"Pictures...?  Pictures...?  We don't know nothing about no stinking pictures...!"
1867  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 06, 2006, 02:33:54 PM
So, where are you going to find accurate information about the codes, etc. for the window sticker?  And in reverse, information to decode a sticker?
1868  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 06, 2006, 09:46:29 AM
Whoops!  Sorry, Rich!  That's true... And it also goes into greater detail than Hooper's book.  My mistake!  (I need to get it into my head that folks don't always look here first.  I made the same mistake last week myself.  But then Ed referred me to a report --and again, it was the most helpful info. found!)

BTW, is there information anywhere that talks about the window stickers and how to decode them?
1869  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How do I post a pic? on: December 06, 2006, 09:42:49 AM
You cannot do it in Quick Reply...
You have to use the reply button (at bottom of thread above Quick Reply).  Click reply which will take you to Post Reply.  Below the message section is Additional Options.  Click that on and you will see the Attachment Option.  Note the pic can only be 128KB and not more than 4 pics.  Browse your computer for the picture and attach it.  Do that last after you've done your message etc.  It will not allow you to preview without having to re-attach the pic.
1870  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Mark of Excellence on: December 05, 2006, 07:57:16 PM
Does anyone have a picture of deluxe belts with brushed silver and black logo... or can you tell me where to find one?
1871  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 05, 2006, 07:51:51 PM
John Hooper's The Conclusive Camaro Recognition Guide has a chapter on protect-o-plate decoding.
1872  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Astro Ventilation decals on: December 05, 2006, 09:17:43 AM
Thanks, Mark.  I cannot really tell because the angle looks a little different from the two pictures in Miller's book, but how far from the front edge of the window does the etching extend? 
1873  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: value of my camaro on: December 04, 2006, 03:43:56 PM
The way most folks value their car is by studying the market: What do similar cars sell for on Hemmings and other sites?  What do cars sell for at local dealers and by individiual owners in your area? Etc.
Value on the street and with an antique car dealer may not have much to do with the originality issues discussed on CRG.  They should, but lots of times they don't.  You also would have to have a great working relationship with a dealer to get a good appraisal.  After all, they want to sell your car.  I never drive my 68 when I'm going to look at cars.  The dealer will spend all their time trying to get you to let them sell it.
So, that takes you to appraisers.  Take a look at the site below.  This is not a recommendation.  I've never used them.  I'm aware of them from AACA.  They do have an appraiser in your state.

And then there is:

If distance is not an issue:  --Mr MacNeish is a CRG core member. 

There may be someone else who has actually used someone in your area, but this will get you started.
1874  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 83 Camaro Rattles on: December 03, 2006, 12:40:07 PM
Go back and read some Consumer Reports articles about cars in the 80s.  They all rattled.  The phrase "Body by Fisher" had long lost its meaning.  Up to that point my daily driver was always a Chevy.  But in 85 I gave in... And yes, I'm still driving a Japanese sport's car to work...
Hotrod is right. Take the T-tops off and enjoy it.  When someone rides in my 68 and asks about that rattle in the back, I tell them it's "character"...
1875  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: PTB stamps on: December 02, 2006, 03:29:18 PM

Thanks for emailing me those "under the fender" stamping pictures.  You really ought to post them in this thread to make it complete.
Thanks again!
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