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1816  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Tower Clamps on: December 17, 2006, 09:33:34 PM
I've seen varying opinions about when tower clamps were discontinued.  Does anyone have a definitive date or was it a gradual thing, especially for Camaros?
1817  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 17, 2006, 02:52:03 PM
Like JohnZ said a while back, GM was (and is) in the business to sell cars, not document them for us to restore years later.  That's part of it...
I did read where for $45, proof of ownership and the VIN, the Chrysler historic group can give you a "build card" on practically any car they build from 32 to 67.  Wouldn't that be nice?!?
GM could insist that any company that does a repo. W/S puts REPO on it...
1818  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Need LA Experts - paints, undercarriage, and primers on: December 16, 2006, 08:54:25 AM
Here's the latest discussion:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=105.0;all
1819  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 RS/SS Data Plate on: December 15, 2006, 03:19:53 PM
As you are discovering, we 68 owners cannot glean a lot from the trim tag...
Also, check that ST68-14327.  From your description, it should read ST68-12437 =V-8 2 door sport coupe.  05D is 4th week of May. TR-714 is black custom buckets.  Q was not an exterior color code before or after the January 68 color revision.  (That's why Daniel wants to see the tag.)
BTW, those "turn signal indicators" are a whole lot more than that.  It's RPO U46, the Light Monitoring System.  Take a look at this thread:
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=1125.msg6294#msg6294
1820  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 14, 2006, 05:13:10 PM
True...  Absolutely... 

But I can also look at those other pictures, including the vin, the cowl tag and engine stamp with some confidence because of what I have learned from CRG.  I also chuckled at the fan shroud sticker as overzealous restoration because JohnZ has told us more than once they don't belong on a 1st generation Camaro. I've checked through some of the RPO codes from the window sticker from the CRG RPO listing, just like Kurt referrred to.  I agree with Daniel the water stains are suspect.

Now, somebody please help the rest of us, so we can at least sight identify a fake...  The reason I should know about the window sticker is because there are no ECL's?  In other words, did all 67, 68, 69 window stickers have ECLs?

1821  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 11, 2006, 04:50:45 PM
Well, I know Kurt is right and in the end I have to agree... but there are plenty of us out here who are just trying to learn.  I learned a whole lot more than I previously knew from this thread.  Thanks! ADz28 for asking the question and CRG for the info!

Richard, I think you and I are about at the same place on this kind of information.  I wish we lived in a world where people loved cars more than profit.

With what is happening in the hobby now and where prices are going, there is certainly a need for caution.
1822  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 10, 2006, 08:54:23 PM
So, is it fair to say there is no definitive source for window sticker decoding?  Huh  Huh  Huh
1823  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Mark of Excellence on: December 09, 2006, 09:54:26 PM
Thanks, Dave.

Here's where I wound up:
http://www.ssnake-oyl.com/Ssnake-Oyl_Seat_Belt_Showroom20.html

I'll try their tech line on Monday.

The belts themselves are in great shape.  It's just the lack of paint on the GM button.  Still, would like to know if anyone knows what color of blue that is...
1824  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Seat Belt Tag on: December 08, 2006, 06:04:23 PM
The seat belt tag reads:

Hamill          1968
Model          137
45C67

Would that be OK for a 68 12D?

1825  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Spoiler AND Rear Antenna on: December 08, 2006, 11:28:43 AM
It's you're responsibility to prove originality if there is an originality question... not the judges.

But since you've now gotten three replies... none of them comical...  OK, I'll bite:
"Pictures...?  Pictures...?  We don't know nothing about no stinking pictures...!"
1826  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Window Sticker Font on: December 06, 2006, 02:33:54 PM
So, where are you going to find accurate information about the codes, etc. for the window sticker?  And in reverse, information to decode a sticker?
1827  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 06, 2006, 09:46:29 AM
Whoops!  Sorry, Rich!  That's true... And it also goes into greater detail than Hooper's book.  My mistake!  (I need to get it into my head that folks don't always look here first.  I made the same mistake last week myself.  But then Ed referred me to a report --and again, it was the most helpful info. found!)

BTW, is there information anywhere that talks about the window stickers and how to decode them?
1828  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: How do I post a pic? on: December 06, 2006, 09:42:49 AM
You cannot do it in Quick Reply...
You have to use the reply button (at bottom of thread above Quick Reply).  Click reply which will take you to Post Reply.  Below the message section is Additional Options.  Click that on and you will see the Attachment Option.  Note the pic can only be 128KB and not more than 4 pics.  Browse your computer for the picture and attach it.  Do that last after you've done your message etc.  It will not allow you to preview without having to re-attach the pic.
1829  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: GM Mark of Excellence on: December 05, 2006, 07:57:16 PM
Does anyone have a picture of deluxe belts with brushed silver and black logo... or can you tell me where to find one?
1830  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 05, 2006, 07:51:51 PM
John Hooper's The Conclusive Camaro Recognition Guide has a chapter on protect-o-plate decoding.
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