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1801  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 05, 2006, 07:51:51 PM
John Hooper's The Conclusive Camaro Recognition Guide has a chapter on protect-o-plate decoding.
1802  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Astro Ventilation decals on: December 05, 2006, 09:17:43 AM
Thanks, Mark.  I cannot really tell because the angle looks a little different from the two pictures in Miller's book, but how far from the front edge of the window does the etching extend? 
1803  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: value of my camaro on: December 04, 2006, 03:43:56 PM
The way most folks value their car is by studying the market: What do similar cars sell for on Hemmings and other sites?  What do cars sell for at local dealers and by individiual owners in your area? Etc.
Value on the street and with an antique car dealer may not have much to do with the originality issues discussed on CRG.  They should, but lots of times they don't.  You also would have to have a great working relationship with a dealer to get a good appraisal.  After all, they want to sell your car.  I never drive my 68 when I'm going to look at cars.  The dealer will spend all their time trying to get you to let them sell it.
So, that takes you to appraisers.  Take a look at the site below.  This is not a recommendation.  I've never used them.  I'm aware of them from AACA.  They do have an appraiser in your state.
http://www.i-van.org/

And then there is:
http://www.auto-appraisers.com/

If distance is not an issue:
http://www.z28camaro.com/consvcs.html  --Mr MacNeish is a CRG core member.
http://www.tophatjohn.com/ 

There may be someone else who has actually used someone in your area, but this will get you started.
1804  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: 83 Camaro Rattles on: December 03, 2006, 12:40:07 PM
Go back and read some Consumer Reports articles about cars in the 80s.  They all rattled.  The phrase "Body by Fisher" had long lost its meaning.  Up to that point my daily driver was always a Chevy.  But in 85 I gave in... And yes, I'm still driving a Japanese sport's car to work...
Hotrod is right. Take the T-tops off and enjoy it.  When someone rides in my 68 and asks about that rattle in the back, I tell them it's "character"...
1805  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: PTB stamps on: December 02, 2006, 03:29:18 PM
X-77,

Thanks for emailing me those "under the fender" stamping pictures.  You really ought to post them in this thread to make it complete.
Thanks again!
1806  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Value of 67 on: December 02, 2006, 03:20:58 PM
Like Russ said, if it's right, more likely it could go for $34,000 - 36,000... or more.  Values are going up and covertibles are desirable.
1807  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: Help decoding my 69 vin on: December 02, 2006, 03:06:02 PM
Gary,
BTW, cool web site!   Grin
Are you going to put pictures of your 69 pace car on your web page, too?  Huh
1808  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Astro Ventilation decals on: December 02, 2006, 02:51:59 PM
Mark, I found your post.  I figured out yesterday from Rich's report that my car should not have the Astro Ventilation markings (later build date of 12D, according to Rich's report probably a little late).  I've got the same situation that you have on glass = driver's side is original (and no marking), passenger is a PPG replacement.  I think the AV markings are cool looking, too. If nothing else, its very 60s looking.  What threw me off originally was that several suppliers offer a repo. decal.
If you could get a good close up picture of the AV marking, I'd love to see it!
Thanks guys!  Grin Grin Grin
1809  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / GM Mark of Excellence on: December 02, 2006, 10:07:32 AM
I've run across a guy who has a great looking set of (what appears to be original 68) seat belts.  My question is about the buckles.  None of the Mark of Excellence symbols have the blue paint on them --not even a speck.  (I realize that could have been cleaned off through the years.)  Has anyone seen this before? (Did any buckle in any model or year come like that?)  Does anyone know what the name or number of the color of blue is?
1810  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Astro Ventilation decals on: December 01, 2006, 09:20:23 AM
OK, I stand corrected...
Ed, in the end your post did lead me to what my real question should have been: Should my car have the marks? (And do I have original glass?)  Thanks to Rich's report the answer is most likely "no" to the first question.  My 68 is not an early build.  (And I'm going to take Rich's report and answer the original glass question this afternoon.)
Thanks, CRG!
1811  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Astro Ventilation decals on: November 30, 2006, 09:16:32 PM
Ray Miller in Camaro: Classy Chassis shows pictures of the astro ventilation decals for both the driver and passenger's sides on the 68.  The 68 AIM doesn't even mention all those "extraneous" decals that most folks scraped off right after they drove the car home.  (Then again, some folks threw away the protecto plates...)  What do the members think about those astro ventilation decals?  Is that taking originality too far?
1812  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 front bumper guards on: November 29, 2006, 11:19:35 PM
Part of the confusion might come from the original GM illustrations for 68 front bumper guards.  Under custom features the illustration for front guards looks shorter...
1813  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 12 bolt applications on: November 28, 2006, 09:42:20 AM
Listen to Hotrod...  Anyone who drove aggressively or had a teenager in the 60s knew about the Powerglide "slip".  In other words, if you drove aggressively, it was only a matter of time once you started feeling that slip in your glide.  My sister personally proved this in 3 months from her 16th birthday on a 67 Chevelle.  When the THM 350 came out in 69 they quickly outsold the glides and for good reason.  If you wanted power and performance in 67 you drove a stick.

In recent years, I've had a 57 Bel Air, a 61 Impala, and now, a 68 Camaro with glide.  They've all done fine, but my purpose in each of those cars was for cruising and shows.  If I planned to do more on the performance side, I'd at least put in a THM350.
1814  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Black Firewall Paint on: November 27, 2006, 09:01:42 AM
Yes!  Thanks! And sorry to be so much trouble.
So the 67 stampings really were "hidden".
1815  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Restoration / Re: Correct color for '68 underbody on: November 25, 2006, 07:19:16 PM
Hotrod,

Do take a look at William's comments in the thread that Richard mentions.  I think William hit the nail right on the head!  That nice, uniform black underbody is "show car stuff". But do make sure you catch William's 2nd post in that thread and JohnZ's comments.  It's equally hard to make resto. painting look "original".

I spent four hours the other day with the guy who does a lot of the historic preservation certifications for AACA.  I learned (among a lot of things) that underbody restoration is an art unto itself.

Sounds like you're about ready to get your car back together and on the road.  As you know, Thanksgiving day turned out to be a great day for cruising here in NC!
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