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1771  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Kerosene washing??? on: January 21, 2007, 08:23:04 AM
Speaking of that, when you take inflation into consideration, tires have actually kept their price about even...
Remember "price wars" for gas stations?  When gas was .259, one station would drop it a nickle and bring them all down.
1772  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Seat Belt Tag on: January 21, 2007, 08:18:52 AM
Of course Kurt saying they were OK was enough for me...
But I did find enough in Hooper's Conclusive book to figure out the date decoding.  Nothing about models...
I didn't find a decoding chart at that site either, so I emailed them...
1773  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: ABOUT TO BUY: camaro convertible 1968 trying to confirm 327/275 hp engine on: January 20, 2007, 01:03:13 PM
Ed (the new CRG --congratulations!) is steering you right...
If you were hoping for a L30/M20, the suffix should be EA in 68.
EE points to exactly what he described: a 68 L30/M35

Look here: --footnote 9

Also, if you're really shopping, you need a copy of Colvin's Chevrolet By the Numbers, 1965-69 to check the numbers.

But if you are looking for a good driver -- cruiser, a L30/M35 is a fine Camaro.  I love mine!
Do post an answer about Ed's last question...
1774  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Kerosene washing??? on: January 17, 2007, 04:09:21 PM

My grandfather used a litttle kerosene to wash his cars back in the 50s and early 60s, as well.  But he used it as a "cutting agent" to clean road grime, etc. off his car.  (Sort of like some folks use WD40 today.) He also would rinse it well to make sure none of the kerosene was left on the car.  I really don't remember him waxing his car either.  But he did wash it regularly year-round.  So, waxing would have been a waste of time, since the kerosene would have "cut" the wax.

Everything you read about clear coating and plastic parts on newer cars says that even stuff like washing powder will dull the shine and eventually cut into the paint.  I doubt if it would be a good idea. 

On the other hand, the gas station/garage my father used (and paid 19 cents to the gallon as late as 1969) would throw a couple of tablespoons of baking soda into their wash water.  That actually makes a little more sense chemically, since the soda would reduce any acids.

At any rate, your question takes me back to some fond memories.  Thanks!
1775  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 wheel rim date codes on: January 15, 2007, 10:01:21 AM
I read and replied to your other post about original owner, as well...

Probably cannot say definitively about wheels without original documentation, but if you've got a L30/M20 that is more or less close to original, you can work out a "defendable" answer in your mind.  Is your car originally heavily optioned?  You should be able to tell from a 67 cowl tag.  Post your VIN and cowl tag under Decoding...
1776  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 15, 2007, 09:53:10 AM
At least ask about:
1. Any original documentation (build sheet, POP, sticker, etc.)
2. Any resto. or replacement along the way (and what happened to original)
3. The history of the car working toward original owner and/or dealership of origin.
But ultimately what you need is #1.  If you cannot get that then you have to piece the puzzle together as best you can from other info. in 2 & 3.

Good luck!
1777  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 13, 2007, 02:51:06 PM
Thanks, Dave.
Although I already have my tower clamps, they aren't on the car yet.  So it will be great to have pictures (especially your original smog hose clamp) to show my group.  Thanks again for the hint on how to install them.  That's a February porject for me.
1778  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 13, 2007, 10:40:40 AM

To your knowledge, since I live in Florida, will the Florida DMV have information on previous owners that were titled out of Florida? I assume they won't and I will  be the only one on the list. I would also think it should tell me the last state it was registered in.

From what the email from Ms. Hall at the FDMV says, I probably will not be able to answer your question.  My car was with the previous owner in Florida prior to 96, and the FDMV was crystal clear that all I'm getting for my $15 is 10 years of microfiche records for Florida($75 seems like robbery). 

I know about the previous owner by that "quiet" method --even got a copy of the Florida title through my dealer.

But, hey, it's only 15 dollars, so first chance I get I'll fill out the form and see what happens.  In the meantime, I'm going to follow Rich's #2 suggestion with the previous owner and see if I can find out where he got it from...
1779  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 12, 2007, 05:50:55 PM

So the clamps are varied.  Guess they pulled them out of a big box on the assembly line...

Yes, I can get the part numbers, but not having a 67 or 69 AIM I could not tell which type of clamp the number represents.  In the end I needed to know the type, not the number.  (Gary gave me the radiator info. earlier in the thread.)  I've got what I needed.  Thanks!  (All my Chevelle buddies are duly impressed at the vast knowledge we can get from CRG!)  Grin  Grin  Grin
1780  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 12, 2007, 05:31:10 PM

I don't live in Florida, the car came out of Florida a couple of years ago.  I live in NC.
Here's the link for the Florida title request form:

Both of your suggestions are working so far with Florida.  They say they only have 10 years worth of records, but they do have a microfiche option for a few bucks more.  Going to pursue that... Your second suggestion is exactly what I did (earliest reference to a dealer) and they told me to make a request under the research option in their privacy act.  I now know the Florida owners of the car back to 96, so that's a start...
1781  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 12, 2007, 10:00:49 AM
I just emailed the Florida DMV. The reply says with the properly filled out form and $15, I can get a 10 year history.  That's because they only keep 10 years of records.  (Back to the problem of what they keep on computer, I mentioned above.)  I spoke of research in my email, because that's one of the reasons they will release info. under their privacy act.  Of course, I don't have the info, yet...
1782  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 11, 2007, 11:11:42 PM

Can you see the date code on your original tower clamps?

If they were mixed at mid-68, then my 12D 68 would be okay with tower clamps on both heater and radiator hoses?
1783  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 11, 2007, 10:09:41 PM
For 67 to Mid 68, it's spring clamps on heater hoses and tower clamps on radiator.
For Mid 68 to 69 it's tower clamps on both.

My 68 AIM shows spring clamps on heater hoses, dated May of 67.  Can Gary or anyone else bring it down to what month that changed?

Also, like some of you observed, the p/n for even the same kind of clamp (tower or spring) differs depending on application. (The lower rad. clamp is larger then the upper.)
1784  Site Comments / Discussion / Test Drive / Test on: January 11, 2007, 09:35:39 PM

See, Ed, even this old dog can learn a new trick.  I followed your (and Joe's) instructions.  I will properly post pictures and sin no more!
(OK, I'll properly post pictures...)
1785  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 11, 2007, 09:09:06 PM
Thanks, Dave.

What I really need for you to do is look at the Radiator hose and Heater hose pages and see what the clamps look like in the picture.  Then, tell me what kind of clamps they are (tower, spring, etc.).  It would be great if you could also list the numbers for those clamps from each page.  I can find the numbers in the P&A, but that does tell me which type of clamp it is.

I know tower clamps are a pain, but we're discussing originality in my group...

BTW, I just emailed you about part of your question from your recent thread.


Whoops!  Thanks Steve.  (Now, Im getting info. faster than I can keep up with it!)
I do not have a 67 AIM, but UPC 1/A8 is heater hose, right?  And the V-8 shows spring clamps. (We were just discussing V-8, so that's fine about the L-6).  Now, if someone will tell me about the radiator clamps (its UPC 6/B1 in the 68 AIM)...

I really appreciate this, guys!

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