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1741  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: How do I title a Camaro without one? on: January 24, 2007, 10:17:49 AM
In NC, the short answer is the seller is supposed to supply a title. 

I asked the guys at Old Muscle in Winston-Salem, and they said no title is a "big red flag".  The most obvious thing is it might be stolen --even if you trust the present owner...  So, get the VIN (and they said no VIN buy it just for parts) and have a check run on it.

Beyond that, to get a title on an untitled vehicle in NC requires what is called Supporting Documentation.  That's going to require a trip to the local DMV office, a form and the gathering of those documents; then another trip (or two) to DMV.  If the last title on the car is from out of state, you will have to go through the process with that state.  The good news is that NC does have some info. more than 10 years old on microfilm.

Here's a link to that DMV info.  (It's 10MB, so it will take a minute to download.)
http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registrationtitling/titlemanual/download/NCTitleManual.pdf

Good luck!  And BTW, if you are from NC like me, then surely you know to go to a DMV office in a smaller county --much shorter lines and generally better dispositions...
1742  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 68 woodgrain ash tray+dlx hubcaps on: January 23, 2007, 01:07:10 PM
Thanks Cfar for this thread!
I'm putting an "amen" to Ed's appeal to anyone who might know the difference between the two early (black) 68 ashtrays!

I'm still pursuing the original documentation on my 68 12D (so I cannot prove anything), but the interior appears to be all original.  It has the woodgrain, console; but with a smooth black ashtray, which I have always assumed was correct.  But now you guys have raised some interesting questions.  So, Dan, it is supposed to be black, but which one?  Good question...

Ed,
I looked in the Oct. 1, 1967 P&A 34 hoping it might clarify the difference between the two 68 black ashtrays (since it predates the woodgrain), but it does not even refer to either as "(black)".  In fact, it has a discrepancy, describing the 3919123 as "w/console, w/intr. decor. pack" --That's right "with" not "exe."  (I've checked it a dozen times making sure my eyes aren't deceiving me.  That's gotta be a typo, right?)  The 3927460 is "w/console".  There is only one 67 ashtray listed: 3891667, which must have been used with any interior in 67.  So, there has to be some reason for two early 68s --logical or not...

So, somebody with a documented 68 please help answer Dan's question....
1743  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Astro Ventilation decals on: January 22, 2007, 10:49:18 AM
Thanks for that information!  You even answered my "yet to be asked" question about the feel of the etching.
1744  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: ABOUT TO BUY: camaro convertible 1968 trying to confirm 327/275 hp engine on: January 21, 2007, 08:26:18 AM
At least it hasn't been cloned to death!
If the numbers match and it's in decent shape, you'll probably have to pay about 25K to get any sort of decent car nowadays...
1745  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Kerosene washing??? on: January 21, 2007, 08:23:04 AM
Speaking of that, when you take inflation into consideration, tires have actually kept their price about even...
Remember "price wars" for gas stations?  When gas was .259, one station would drop it a nickle and bring them all down.
1746  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Seat Belt Tag on: January 21, 2007, 08:18:52 AM
Of course Kurt saying they were OK was enough for me...
But I did find enough in Hooper's Conclusive book to figure out the date decoding.  Nothing about models...
I didn't find a decoding chart at that site either, so I emailed them...
1747  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: ABOUT TO BUY: camaro convertible 1968 trying to confirm 327/275 hp engine on: January 20, 2007, 01:03:13 PM
Ed (the new CRG --congratulations!) is steering you right...
If you were hoping for a L30/M20, the suffix should be EA in 68.
EE points to exactly what he described: a 68 L30/M35

Look here:
http://www.camaros.org/suspen.shtml#MonoVsMultiSprings
http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#L30M20
http://www.camaros.org/diffs68.shtml --footnote 9

Also, if you're really shopping, you need a copy of Colvin's Chevrolet By the Numbers, 1965-69 to check the numbers.

But if you are looking for a good driver -- cruiser, a L30/M35 is a fine Camaro.  I love mine!
Do post an answer about Ed's last question...
1748  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Kerosene washing??? on: January 17, 2007, 04:09:21 PM
Dutch,

My grandfather used a litttle kerosene to wash his cars back in the 50s and early 60s, as well.  But he used it as a "cutting agent" to clean road grime, etc. off his car.  (Sort of like some folks use WD40 today.) He also would rinse it well to make sure none of the kerosene was left on the car.  I really don't remember him waxing his car either.  But he did wash it regularly year-round.  So, waxing would have been a waste of time, since the kerosene would have "cut" the wax.

Everything you read about clear coating and plastic parts on newer cars says that even stuff like washing powder will dull the shine and eventually cut into the paint.  I doubt if it would be a good idea. 

On the other hand, the gas station/garage my father used (and paid 19 cents to the gallon as late as 1969) would throw a couple of tablespoons of baking soda into their wash water.  That actually makes a little more sense chemically, since the soda would reduce any acids.

At any rate, your question takes me back to some fond memories.  Thanks!
1749  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: 68 wheel rim date codes on: January 15, 2007, 10:01:21 AM
I read and replied to your other post about original owner, as well...

Probably cannot say definitively about wheels without original documentation, but if you've got a L30/M20 that is more or less close to original, you can work out a "defendable" answer in your mind.  Is your car originally heavily optioned?  You should be able to tell from a 67 cowl tag.  Post your VIN and cowl tag under Decoding...
1750  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 15, 2007, 09:53:10 AM
At least ask about:
1. Any original documentation (build sheet, POP, sticker, etc.)
2. Any resto. or replacement along the way (and what happened to original)
3. The history of the car working toward original owner and/or dealership of origin.
But ultimately what you need is #1.  If you cannot get that then you have to piece the puzzle together as best you can from other info. in 2 & 3.

Good luck!
1751  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 13, 2007, 02:51:06 PM
Thanks, Dave.
Although I already have my tower clamps, they aren't on the car yet.  So it will be great to have pictures (especially your original smog hose clamp) to show my group.  Thanks again for the hint on how to install them.  That's a February porject for me.
1752  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 13, 2007, 10:40:40 AM
Adam,

To your knowledge, since I live in Florida, will the Florida DMV have information on previous owners that were titled out of Florida? I assume they won't and I will  be the only one on the list. I would also think it should tell me the last state it was registered in.

From what the email from Ms. Hall at the FDMV says, I probably will not be able to answer your question.  My car was with the previous owner in Florida prior to 96, and the FDMV was crystal clear that all I'm getting for my $15 is 10 years of microfiche records for Florida($75 seems like robbery). 

I know about the previous owner by that "quiet" method --even got a copy of the Florida title through my dealer.

But, hey, it's only 15 dollars, so first chance I get I'll fill out the form and see what happens.  In the meantime, I'm going to follow Rich's #2 suggestion with the previous owner and see if I can find out where he got it from...
1753  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Tower Clamps on: January 12, 2007, 05:50:55 PM
Steve,

So the clamps are varied.  Guess they pulled them out of a big box on the assembly line...

Yes, I can get the part numbers, but not having a 67 or 69 AIM I could not tell which type of clamp the number represents.  In the end I needed to know the type, not the number.  (Gary gave me the radiator info. earlier in the thread.)  I've got what I needed.  Thanks!  (All my Chevelle buddies are duly impressed at the vast knowledge we can get from CRG!)  Grin  Grin  Grin
1754  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 12, 2007, 05:31:10 PM
Adz28,

I don't live in Florida, the car came out of Florida a couple of years ago.  I live in NC.
Here's the link for the Florida title request form:
http://www3.hsmv.state.fl.us/Intranet/dmv/Forms/BTR/85054.pdf

Rich,
Both of your suggestions are working so far with Florida.  They say they only have 10 years worth of records, but they do have a microfiche option for a few bucks more.  Going to pursue that... Your second suggestion is exactly what I did (earliest reference to a dealer) and they told me to make a request under the research option in their privacy act.  I now know the Florida owners of the car back to 96, so that's a start...
1755  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Decoding/Numbers / Re: finding original owner on: January 12, 2007, 10:00:49 AM
I just emailed the Florida DMV. The reply says with the properly filled out form and $15, I can get a 10 year history.  That's because they only keep 10 years of records.  (Back to the problem of what they keep on computer, I mentioned above.)  I spoke of research in my email, because that's one of the reasons they will release info. under their privacy act.  Of course, I don't have the info, yet...
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