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1  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 SMALL Journal Crank...revisited on: November 12, 2012, 12:34:11 PM
So now it's come full circle. Working on the rod's it has come to my attention that the rod bolts are the same as small journal. (11/32)
So the Main and Rod Journals on the crank are LARGE but the main cap bolts and and the rod bolts are SMALL.
2  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 SMALL Journal Crank...revisited on: October 27, 2012, 02:15:19 PM

The small-block VIN pad was 3-3/4" long until 1968, when it changed to 4-3/4"; the deeper bolt holes/longer bolts/wider caps didn't start until 1969.


Thanks John! Is the change model year '69?  Or a month and day in the 1969 actual year?
3  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 SMALL Journal Crank...revisited on: October 26, 2012, 10:28:33 PM
Can you provide the info for your block.  Casting number, casting date, and assemby date and code?

Thanks.
(Casting number - 3892657) (Casting Date A97 - Jan 9th '67) (Assembly V0113MV - Jan 13th)
4  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 SMALL Journal Crank...revisited on: October 26, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
So, I have an answer that satisfies me. I hope this helps with the "mixed Journal" myth.
The "Journal" is NOT mixed, the bolts are. I finally bought a descent micrometer. My journals are both 'Large'. The caps are as well.
The 3rd picture below shows the bearing tang groove on small and large journal 2 bolt main caps and are easily identifiable.
Information I read on the Team Camaro web site states that the 350 blocks in '67 and '68 were drilled for the same short bolts used on the earlier small journal main caps.
The longer bolts did not start until '69. My block will only accept the short bolts.
Amazing where your brain takes you...the long bolts leave you to believe that the caps are short. Not that the threads in the block are.

My original bolt can be seen between the ARP bolts for '2 bolt main' small and large journal cranks. (Someone needs to call ARP...Not quite accurate with the 2 year 'layover' on the bolts)

It was also stated that the VIN PAD was longer on the blocks that had been drilled for the longer bolts.
Not sure how much longer. Or when it started. Would love to know.

My original...ARP small and large journal bolts.


VIN pad


2 bolt main caps
5  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 SMALL Journal Crank...revisited on: October 26, 2012, 01:06:33 PM
I took the block apart a couple of years ago, so I don't have the bearings. Had the heads done first, then eventually took the block and crank in. I ordered new bearings and main bolts for a 350. The block was not decked or line honed. Just bored and -20-20 on the crank. The rod bearings fit. Maybe the main caps seem short because the new bolts are long. The original main bolts are 1/2" shorter than the new ones I ordered. Did the bolt length change between '67 and later??? I never actually even tried the main bearings because I stopped when I tried to test fit the new bolts. (thinking this through as I type here.) Didn't want to take the bearings out of the plastic for return reasons. Going to go and measure those journals and bearings, then maybe test fit the new main bearings.  I'll try and get some good measurements on the caps and bolts. I'll try and get some comparison pics as well. Also going to call Mike at Parrish machine here in Sacramento to see what he meant by 'one year crank'. Maybe just a part number change?
6  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1967 SMALL Journal Crank...revisited on: October 21, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
I was looking for the mixed journal sizes here for my Jan 1967 built SS350 engine. Was surprised to see that this subject has not been confirmed yet.
After reading a previous thread (http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=8402.0) I became even more confused. The reason this ORG exists
is because GM didn't do well when it came to documenting anything in the late 60's. I was surprised at how quick some were to tell the previous poster
that the subject was closed for discussion. The mixed Journal crank does exist. I have one. My machinist here in Sacaramento knew it when I took it to him.
He just called it the ONE YEAR crank. Small main, large rod, journal crank. The previous discussion did not even mention that the MAIN CAPS are short as well as the MAIN BOLTS. The new main bolts I ordered are way too long. My block was still standard bore. (Casting number 3892657) (Date A97) (Crank Cast# 2690)
Original heads, intake, waterpump, alternator, ditributor, Starter. Balancer is a 6966 if that is correct?
So, as far as I can tell the block has not been rebuilt. (Still had the original paint splotches on the rear)
The mention that racers may have turned these cranks doesnt make up for the short caps and bolts.
Besides, if it was raced it wouldn't have ended up back in a bone stock engine. So that is out.
Also, how many people here with an original 1967 350 that THEY have rebuilt are the ones providing answers?
7  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: ? California Plates - 1967 corresponding letters ? on: March 28, 2009, 01:13:02 AM
My Camaro is a TYM...

When was your manufacture date on the trim tag??
8  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: vintage 67 picture COOL! on: March 22, 2009, 11:48:22 AM
YEP HUBCAP'S WERE EVERYWHERE ! Grin
A lot of drum brakes. My SS has them too.
9  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Alternator for 68 rs/ss 350. on: March 21, 2009, 03:30:29 PM

Jason Scott's book lists the 1100817 as: 61 Amp - 68 w/: a/c. AIR or PS

Confusing.
So if the Car was V-8 or 6 cylinder with Air Conditioning AND had either A.I.R. or Power Steering or both,
it got the "817"?
10  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Correct Alternator for 68 rs/ss 350. on: March 21, 2009, 02:20:04 PM
Colvin's "By the Numbers" says:

Camaro - 61 Amp - 1100796 - A/C Ex. 6-Cyl. Smog Control or P.S.
             61 Amp - 1100817 - A/C 6-Cyl. Smog Control or P.S.

11  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 California License plate Numbers?? on: March 21, 2009, 01:51:04 PM
Amazing where some of these threads go. Too much cool stuff.
I guess that's why you should read them all whether you think they pertain to your situation or not.

Thanks everyone!!!

               Gary.
12  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 Dipstick...3896912? on: March 21, 2009, 01:33:27 PM
Can anyone with an original V-8 '67 dipstick please post a picture or at least a detailed description?

Thanks, Gary
13  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / "SS-350" Badging dropped in Jan '67? on: March 21, 2009, 01:30:25 PM
Just read this @ http://www.camaros.org/exterior.shtml#SSHood

...When the SS-396 was introduced in January 1967, the badges were changed for all SS models to read "SS".""

WHEN in January did this happen? I have an 01D '67 SS-350 with an original SS-350 grill emblem and gas cap. The guy I got it from in 2001 had several
early Camaro projects. He had replaced the original gold interior with an original black interior. So who knows if the SS-350 emblems were original to my car.

Anyone have a 4th week January "SS-350" with just "SS" badging?
14  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: 1967 Dipstick...3896912? on: March 11, 2009, 08:24:22 PM
If that is the replacement part number then what was the original part number?
15  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / 1967 Dipstick...3896912? on: March 11, 2009, 11:18:54 AM
Trying to figure out what an original 1967 dipstick looks like. Parts catalogue says - Camaro V8 (exc 396) - 3896912.
So, did base, SS 350, and Z28 all use the same stick?
Also, did the stick have the dark red button and was the top of the handle shaped like a "P" or an "O" centered on top of the stick?
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