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Originality / Re: 68 bumper bracket
« on: July 15, 2009, 11:07:31 PM »
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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Gas tank date codes
« on: July 11, 2009, 05:47:49 AM »
Kurt you rule!!!! Thought it was a week but didn't make sense with the Calendar year...Production year...DUH!!!! 
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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Gas tank date codes
« on: July 09, 2009, 05:11:47 PM »Chris -
Based on your gas tank date code (68 20) it looks like the year and Julian date is the correct format. They wouldn't have dated something February 0.
Our gas tanks were made one week apart (my tank date code is 68 27) on a Saturday! January 27th, 1968 works for my 02C car, but I'm curious what the judges had to say about your tank's date code (January 20th, 1968 for a 12D car). Did they think it was mis-stamped? Replaced? Or?
Paul
I have an old GM tank on my car I bought years ago-there's no stamp on that tank for whatever reason so it was considered replaced but GM. I guess they only stamped the production ones?
I'm not about the date code format though, my impression of their explanation was it was year & day but day could be of any month. It didn't make sense to me then and defiantly doesn't now seeing a 37 for a day...but I have also never seen anything other than a 2 digit code in the second part either. If it was Julian, there obviously would be 3 digit codes. Weeks would make more sense for the code format, but that would put a lot of the posted codes after the build date of the cars-and still leave my tank WAY early so I have no idea how to decipher the code.
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Originality / Re: sealing compound
« on: July 07, 2009, 08:05:02 PM »
On my car kick panels were sealed with grey seam sealer from a tube and dries hard. See photo. It's available from auto body shops in a caulk tube. The dum dum was used on the water shields and lower window track bolt. Strip Caulk is the same stuff.
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Originality / Re: 68 painted side marker bezels
« on: July 07, 2009, 07:48:03 PM »
John,
Yes only in the valley. It's a close call between matt & semi-gloss, but definatly not full gloss. I would assume same finish as the black backround in the Camaro by Chevrolet emblems. More of a semi-flat.
Yes only in the valley. It's a close call between matt & semi-gloss, but definatly not full gloss. I would assume same finish as the black backround in the Camaro by Chevrolet emblems. More of a semi-flat.
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Research Topics & Reports / Re: Gas tank date codes
« on: July 07, 2009, 07:38:52 PM »
I brought this up in the other thread. The survivor judges at the show said it was year and day, no month. Not sure how correct that interpetion is, especially now seeing others, but my car is a 12D 68 and stamp is 68 20 so go figure. They also had a original 69 Baldwin Phase 3 car at the show this year and the tank had an extra number in there, was like 69 8 28 if I remember correctly. They were all scratching our heads at that one.
And yes, drivers side front corner.
So I'm curious, how did your reproduction tank compare to the original?
And yes, drivers side front corner.
So I'm curious, how did your reproduction tank compare to the original?
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Originality / Re: 68 Grill nuts and bolts
« on: July 07, 2009, 06:25:06 PM »
Just wanted to link to the other thread so people can follow since we got into this discussion over there too! 
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5528.0
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=5528.0
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Originality / Re: 68 painted side marker bezels
« on: July 07, 2009, 06:21:37 PM »
John,
I personally have never seen the bezels painted white. All of the original ones I have seen just had black in the valley area, chrome everywhere else. Could it be the car was re-painted at some point and when your white stripe was applied the bezels were poorly masked and that's where the white paint came from? Or maybe it's like you said, some previous owner thought they would look cool painted white to match the stripe? My car has the white Bumble Bee stripe and my bezels were not white. Just my thoughts and own personal observations.
I personally have never seen the bezels painted white. All of the original ones I have seen just had black in the valley area, chrome everywhere else. Could it be the car was re-painted at some point and when your white stripe was applied the bezels were poorly masked and that's where the white paint came from? Or maybe it's like you said, some previous owner thought they would look cool painted white to match the stripe? My car has the white Bumble Bee stripe and my bezels were not white. Just my thoughts and own personal observations.
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Originality / Re: 68 bumper bracket
« on: July 07, 2009, 03:29:58 PM »
Yeah, still looking. I send you a PM. Thanks!
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Originality / Re: 68 painted side marker bezels
« on: July 07, 2009, 03:27:43 PM »
Victor,
No problem. I totally understand where you are coming from and it's your car so you should HAVE what you want! Just sharing my knowledge because I've there and we are obvously the same in reguards to the details. Good luck with it & let me know if I can help in any other way. Us 68 guys need to stick together!!!
John,
Could you post a pic of the fronts? Are you saying the entire bezel is white? If so I think what you are seeing is all the chrome has wore off and it's the aged pot metal underneath. What does the back of the bezel look like?
No problem. I totally understand where you are coming from and it's your car so you should HAVE what you want! Just sharing my knowledge because I've there and we are obvously the same in reguards to the details. Good luck with it & let me know if I can help in any other way. Us 68 guys need to stick together!!!
John,
Could you post a pic of the fronts? Are you saying the entire bezel is white? If so I think what you are seeing is all the chrome has wore off and it's the aged pot metal underneath. What does the back of the bezel look like?
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Originality / Re: 68 painted side marker bezels
« on: July 07, 2009, 04:54:42 AM »
No issue too small, trust me, I'm seriously insane when comes to the details 
It doesn’t have anything to do with the paint. The rear bezels are thicker than the front, hence the different PN. Put them side by side and look again. It's pricks like me that can spot (and look for) stuff like that a mile away I also have a few GM photos that show the rears painted.
Side by side they compair the same except for the painted highlight, there must be a reason for the different part numbers.
It doesn’t have anything to do with the paint. The rear bezels are thicker than the front, hence the different PN. Put them side by side and look again. It's pricks like me that can spot (and look for) stuff like that a mile away
I also have a few GM photos that show the rears painted.57
Originality / Re: 68 bumper bracket
« on: July 06, 2009, 09:12:43 PM »
I know your frustration, 68's seem to get the least attention. As stated, my car had the lower valence riveted. If you look at the aim 11-13 A6 revisions rivet was removed 11-1-67 (item 5 blank) so that says to me ALL grilles were riveted to that point and just proves (not that I felt it needed any proof) the FACT that mine was riveted. My car is a 12D so some could say it should not be riveted but it also took time for those revisions to go into affect, especially in the LA plant since they were not a GM managed plant and they might have just been using up stock or waiting for the different hardware to arrive. A lot of people do not pay attention to the revisions and assume these cars were all built one way from start of production to finish or everything was done ONE WAY. You have to remember these were MASS PRODUCED CARS!!! I have found a couple of discrepancies with the AIM and the way my car was, and know others have too. Some were confirmed with the revisions though when I started paying attention to that. I wouldn't go too crazy over the hardware issues or let them keep you from attending the show. I have gone NUTS (no pun intended!) to put my car back exactly how it was paying attention to minor, minor details and most of them are never even noticed by the judges-but I don't care because I'm not trying to impress anyone other than myself. Even if you put everything back exactly how it was I guarantee someone will tell you something was not like that or something is wrong. Don't sweat it, you just have to decide where you want to go with the car, what level you want to take it to, and who's opinion of "correct" you want to follow. 
Anyway, sorry for the rant, just passing on my experience. Here’s the photo of the bolt for the bumper bumper bracket. It's an M in a hexagon with 3 lines, 5/16-18. Couldn't get a shot of the other side but it's a pointy bolt and just a lock washer and regular nut all black phosphate.
Hope it helps & hope you get to make the show!
Anyway, sorry for the rant, just passing on my experience. Here’s the photo of the bolt for the bumper bumper bracket. It's an M in a hexagon with 3 lines, 5/16-18. Couldn't get a shot of the other side but it's a pointy bolt and just a lock washer and regular nut all black phosphate.
Hope it helps & hope you get to make the show!
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Maintenance / Re: Front Disc Brakes dragging...
« on: July 06, 2009, 07:07:06 PM »
Funny, I just ran into this same problem before I saw this this thread, only mine is a 68. Went right to the concluison the master cyl piston was being held out by the rod as I just put the original booster back on. Thought of the same thing, loosen the master from the booster and check. Well problem was still there-did not even have to touch the brake and car would come to a pretty qiuck stop. Tapped the brake pedal a few times and all of the sudden problem gone?!?! Long story short found MC piston is randomly hanging about a 1/4" from full return to retaining clip, only when letting it return slowly on bench. If I bottom it and just let go it fully returns. Cylinder was JUST SS sleeved by Karps and I installed new NAPA rebuild kit-and put new RPV in the rear port. What gives? There's no ridges/bumps/scores in the sleeve-they hone them after install anyway. Kit comes with new secondary piston & spring but primary is still original. Could it be the primary spring is shot? Thinking of just getting a re-built unit and gutting it for the parts??? Any ideas??? Also if I get the rebuilt unit, are the guts of the Bendix & Delco units the same?
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Originality / Re: 68 painted side marker bezels
« on: July 06, 2009, 06:37:47 PM »
Victor, the rears were painted also, although the current GM ones are not. Here's my original.
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Originality / Re: 68 painted side marker bezels
« on: July 06, 2009, 03:38:59 AM »
Victor,
You are only the second person I have talked to who ever noticed the bezels are different front to rear, let alone the painted valleys and the first person was just a few weeks ago at Nationals-was that you??? They were all different on all modles front from rear from the factory and should both be painted. Are you saying the rears should not be painted or just that the ones you get from GM today are not painted? In my experience most judges would never even notice. Mine is a LOS SS
You are only the second person I have talked to who ever noticed the bezels are different front to rear, let alone the painted valleys and the first person was just a few weeks ago at Nationals-was that you??? They were all different on all modles front from rear from the factory and should both be painted. Are you saying the rears should not be painted or just that the ones you get from GM today are not painted? In my experience most judges would never even notice. Mine is a LOS SS