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16  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original tires on: November 09, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
Bill, the only thing I would add to this is since 2009, I have now documented three cars with what, in my professional opinion are original spare tires to the car.  All three were March wheels and April dated Polyglas tires.  The original owner guy has stated to me many times that the spare is original to the car.  He has the car shipper with no mention of PL4, PL5, etc.  The first car that I saw with a Polyglas spare was a few years ago and he had no paperwork.  I have no reason to believe that is was not original to the car.  What I sense here is a trend that Polyglas tires did make their way on to the 1969 Camaro.  That's all.  I'm not saying that thousands got them or 10 cars got them..........only that I have found, what I call three credible cars with original spare tires.  John Kelsey can go into more detail about this.  He's been in the tire business for most of his life and I regard him as an accurate source for the hobby.  I have no connection to Kelsey tire.  I'm only trying to post research data as I find it and answer the original question that was posted on this thread.  That's it. 

As we know this Camaro hobby can be a humbling experience as we are always learning more as time goes by.  Case in point, the two survivor Z28s with mis-matching cylinder heads that I inspected two years ago.  If you would have told me that Flint engine built a 302 with one #186 head and one #041, I would have stated I don't think that is possible.  But now that two survivor original cars have been found with mis-matching heads, it appears that Flint engine did do this and probably not by choice at the time. 

Jerry           
17  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original tires on: November 06, 2013, 12:14:52 PM
Tire date code, April 1969.  I know that many PC's were equipped with Firestones but Coker has not made a correct tire yet for '69 Camaro production.  I have an original Firestone tire photo posted in my '69 Camaro book.  The RWL's on the repro Firestones are not correct and too big.  Originals were much smaller in size.

Jerry
18  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original tires on: November 06, 2013, 12:11:21 PM
Here is one from an 05A pace car with car shipper.  No mention of PL4 on the shipper.  Original owner car.  I will ask owner to post copy of shipper.  Rally wheel dated K19-3-22,   
19  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original tires on: November 04, 2013, 03:12:24 PM
Bill, since the first SS car that turned up with an original spare, two others for me have surfaced in my travels that have the original window sticker and original dated Polyglas spare and wheel in the trunk.  No mention of the RPO code on the window sticker.  It appears that J. Kelsey and Norwood plant workers were correct about installing what they had to get the car out the door.  A best friend's Chevelle who bought it new got the Polyglas and car was not ordered with them either..........the saga continues.

Jerry   
20  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: Original tires on: November 03, 2013, 07:23:44 PM
For years now this has been a very controversial question. Many have believed that only the F70 x 14" Wide Treads were available for the 1969 Camaro SS. I remembered seeing the Polyglas tires on brand new 1969 Chevelles when my Dad and I were out car shopping for me. But in today’s Camaro hobby, hearsay does not get it. Over the past three years I have broken the code on this issue.  I have had the pleasure of inspecting several original SS Camaros with build dates starting in April 1969 and later.  In April, GM revised it’s option list for the 1969 Camaro adding “Belted RWL Tires” to their option list. One very nice Z10 L35 that I certified still had the original spare in the trunk of the car on the original dated wheel. I recorded the serial number and code and sent it to John Kelsey of Kelsey Tire who makes the Goodyear reproduction tires. John got back stating that the tire was manufactured in April of 1969 at the Gadston, AL plant. The build date of this car was April 1969. Since that Z10 car there have been others adding to this data. So, for anyone stating that a 1969 Camaro cannot have Polyglas tires is false.  If you have a 1969 Camaro SS built from April 1969 through November 1969, The Polyglas “no size” RWL tires are correct and accepted in concours judging.  John Kelsey and others also added that tire shortages during 1969 Camaro production could have got you the Polyglas tires even if the car was not ordered with the belted tire RPO code.  Plant workers that I interviewed many years ago also stated this too.  We accept the Polyglas RWL tires in “Legend” concours judging at the Camaro Nationals as long as the car was built in April of 1969 or later.
21  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 26, 2013, 08:56:41 AM
And lastly,

Jerry
22  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 26, 2013, 08:56:07 AM
More pix, different car
23  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 26, 2013, 08:55:35 AM
I'll post these again here.  Taken in the Legend Survivor class at the Camaro Nats this past June.  Two untouched cars.  The paint adhesion problem is clear in these photos but it appears that the whole housing was painted when these cars were assembled.

Jerry
24  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 23, 2013, 02:11:45 PM
Here's my original 396 bell housing again, all Chevy orange.

Jerry
25  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: bell housing on: August 22, 2013, 08:40:27 PM
I posted many photos just a couple of months ago about this topic.  It appears that most were painted along with the fly wheel shield.  I think one of the issues that throws many off about the paint process is that there was not good adhesion with the paint on the bell housing so one that may look like it was barely painted could have been fully painted Chevrolet orange, but all these years later, the paint may have come off in many areas.  We had several nice original cars in the "Legend Survivor" class at the Camaro Nationals this past June and I posted photos.

Jerry
26  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: Hot August Nights Barrett Jackson - 69 black Z on: August 12, 2013, 11:35:47 AM
DT is original to the car.  I checked it out at BJ in Scottsdale earlier this year.  Someone did a color change and this car was in the Bob Howard collection.  I don't know him.

Buyer in Scottsdale had buyer's remorse and didn't hear about the trim tag when they announced it in the original auction.  BJ did state that when it went on the block.

Jerry 
27  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars on: August 12, 2013, 10:59:27 AM
Hans, that's your call.  I would never replicate an exterior body color on the firewall but that's just my opinion.  In my 44 years of being around these cars, yours is one of one that I've seen.

Jerry
28  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars on: August 12, 2013, 10:33:31 AM
I think what this photo shows is there was a very wide variance in the quality control of Z28 stripes and the way they were applied.  I would say that most of the remaining Z28 population has been modified or painted since they were built.  Survivors are important but even they vary in the way paint was applied.  I get this question from my client base all the time.

Jerry   
29  Camaro Research Group Discussion / Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars on: August 11, 2013, 08:15:39 PM
I think my friend's car, Mike Thompson who bought this rally green Z new must have had a Monday built car.  I have seen some original cars worst than this one, but this one is pretty bad.  Who would want to duplicate this paint?  This photo was taken when the car was two weeks old.

Jerry
30  Camaro Research Group Discussion / General Discussion / Re: I found a Sequoia Green Z28 with air plenum 9 k miles ! on: August 11, 2013, 08:06:23 PM
I had also stated this in my '67-68 Camaro fact book.  Most educated high performance gear heads knew not to order the factory gauges.  All of the hot rod magazines of the day also bashed the factory gauges.  SW and Sun what were used back in the day.

Jerry
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