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Originality / Re: Original tires

« on: November 04, 2013, 12:23:44 AM »

For years now this has been a very controversial question. Many have believed that only the F70 x 14" Wide Treads were available for the 1969 Camaro SS. I remembered seeing the Polyglas tires on brand new 1969 Chevelles when my Dad and I were out car shopping for me. But in today’s Camaro hobby, hearsay does not get it. Over the past three years I have broken the code on this issue.  I have had the pleasure of inspecting several original SS Camaros with build dates starting in April 1969 and later.  In April, GM revised it’s option list for the 1969 Camaro adding “Belted RWL Tires” to their option list. One very nice Z10 L35 that I certified still had the original spare in the trunk of the car on the original dated wheel. I recorded the serial number and code and sent it to John Kelsey of Kelsey Tire who makes the Goodyear reproduction tires. John got back stating that the tire was manufactured in April of 1969 at the Gadston, AL plant. The build date of this car was April 1969. Since that Z10 car there have been others adding to this data. So, for anyone stating that a 1969 Camaro cannot have Polyglas tires is false.  If you have a 1969 Camaro SS built from April 1969 through November 1969, The Polyglas “no size” RWL tires are correct and accepted in concours judging.  John Kelsey and others also added that tire shortages during 1969 Camaro production could have got you the Polyglas tires even if the car was not ordered with the belted tire RPO code.  Plant workers that I interviewed many years ago also stated this too.  We accept the Polyglas RWL tires in “Legend” concours judging at the Camaro Nationals as long as the car was built in April of 1969 or later.

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Originality / Re: bell housing

« on: August 26, 2013, 01:56:41 PM »

And lastly,

Jerry

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Originality / Re: bell housing

« on: August 26, 2013, 01:56:07 PM »

More pix, different car

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Originality / Re: bell housing

« on: August 26, 2013, 01:55:35 PM »

I'll post these again here.  Taken in the Legend Survivor class at the Camaro Nats this past June.  Two untouched cars.  The paint adhesion problem is clear in these photos but it appears that the whole housing was painted when these cars were assembled.

Jerry

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Originality / Re: bell housing

« on: August 23, 2013, 07:11:45 PM »

Here's my original 396 bell housing again, all Chevy orange.

Jerry

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Originality / Re: bell housing

« on: August 23, 2013, 01:40:27 AM »

I posted many photos just a couple of months ago about this topic.  It appears that most were painted along with the fly wheel shield.  I think one of the issues that throws many off about the paint process is that there was not good adhesion with the paint on the bell housing so one that may look like it was barely painted could have been fully painted Chevrolet orange, but all these years later, the paint may have come off in many areas.  We had several nice original cars in the "Legend Survivor" class at the Camaro Nationals this past June and I posted photos.

Jerry

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General Discussion / Re: Hot August Nights Barrett Jackson - 69 black Z

« on: August 12, 2013, 04:35:47 PM »

DT is original to the car.  I checked it out at BJ in Scottsdale earlier this year.  Someone did a color change and this car was in the Bob Howard collection.  I don't know him.

Buyer in Scottsdale had buyer's remorse and didn't hear about the trim tag when they announced it in the original auction.  BJ did state that when it went on the block.

Jerry 

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Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars

« on: August 12, 2013, 03:59:27 PM »

Hans, that's your call.  I would never replicate an exterior body color on the firewall but that's just my opinion.  In my 44 years of being around these cars, yours is one of one that I've seen.

Jerry

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Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars

« on: August 12, 2013, 03:33:31 PM »

I think what this photo shows is there was a very wide variance in the quality control of Z28 stripes and the way they were applied.  I would say that most of the remaining Z28 population has been modified or painted since they were built.  Survivors are important but even they vary in the way paint was applied.  I get this question from my client base all the time.

Jerry   

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Originality / Re: z28 with white stripes, cowl pics on early 69 cars

« on: August 12, 2013, 01:15:39 AM »

I think my friend's car, Mike Thompson who bought this rally green Z new must have had a Monday built car.  I have seen some original cars worst than this one, but this one is pretty bad.  Who would want to duplicate this paint?  This photo was taken when the car was two weeks old.

Jerry

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General Discussion / Re: I found a Sequoia Green Z28 with air plenum 9 k miles !

« on: August 12, 2013, 01:06:23 AM »

I had also stated this in my '67-68 Camaro fact book.  Most educated high performance gear heads knew not to order the factory gauges.  All of the hot rod magazines of the day also bashed the factory gauges.  SW and Sun what were used back in the day.

Jerry

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General Discussion / Re: Hot August Nights Barrett Jackson - 69 black Z

« on: August 12, 2013, 01:01:19 AM »

real Z28 but a repro 10-10 trim tag.  Body work is also rough.

Jerry

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General Discussion / Re: I found a Sequoia Green Z28 with air plenum 9 k miles !

« on: August 05, 2013, 01:55:09 AM »

Brian, just so you and the others know.  I have tried to keep my prices reasonable and affordable to everyone.  Rates have been at $500 a day plus expenses for the past 12 years or so.  Through use of my data analysis, I can verify if the drive train is original to the car, check for a rebodied car, verify any and all components as real or reproduction or replacement.  You'll receive a three to four page report from me once I'm done with my inspection work.  I treat every car just like I'm judging any restored or survivor Camaro at the Camaro Nationals.  I captain the team at this event and judge multiple cars in the "Legends" Restored Class and "Legends" Survivor Class every year.  When spending over $20k and up for any classic car, it's good insurance to know what you have is the real deal.  My reports also act as a certified appraisal on the vehicle too.  I am state licensed and nationally licensed through the International Antique Automobile Appraisers Association too.

A few years back, I purchased a 1958 Fender Stratocaster guitar just like the one that the legendary Buddy Holly played before he was killed.  I know music as I've been around it my whole life but before I pulled the trigger on a very expensive original museum quality '58 Stratocaster, I reached out to an expert in that field so I had piece of mind about the purchase.  Vintage instruments are as costly as vintage automobiles. 

I know of too many people in the hobby who get burning every month.  It is not getting better, it's getting worse.  Barrett Jackson brought me on board last year to help weed out any fakes that are brought to the auction.  They too are tired of all the misrepresented cars.

As on late, there is a fake L89 that I inspected in 2009 that has been making the rounds at auctions.  The car still gets listed as a real L89.  Go figure. 

Very sad, but a reality of the hobby. 

Good luck,

Jerry   

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Originality / Re: Big Block Distributor Hold Down Clamp

« on: July 17, 2013, 08:08:29 PM »

What I can add here is the wire style was used on 67 and 68's.  But, I'm not sure on the BB cars.  I'll have to dig though all of my survivor photos and take a look.

In the Nov '68 Super Stock magazine article with Jerry Stahl and the '68 Z28 road test, they talked about how they did not like the wire style hold down as the timing kept moving around while doing their road test.

Jerry

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Originality / Re: Engine hook bolts on manifold

« on: July 17, 2013, 07:41:15 PM »

Just a quick post here to clarify here.  On Han's engine, I did paint where the intake meets the cylinder head.  I do this is many cases so that area does not rust.  There are variations in this area and sometimes there is a light over spray of orange in this area.  Other original cars have no paint there.  So, restoring your engine gives you several options and how you want to do it.

Regarding engine lift hooks, I have seen them both ways on Z28's.  Painted orange and not painted (natural) or silver in color.  I have inspected and looked at dozens of original survivor cars since the late 1980's and no two seem to be identical.  Again, it's up to the restorer.  If he likes them orange, do them that way.  If you want them natural then that is good too.  Either will net you full points in the "Legend Certification."   I have many original photos both ways.

Hope this helps.

Jerry